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Old 13th November, 2001, 04:24 AM
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it would be so much easier to remember the mobos you make if the names wern't so.....hard to remember..
They are hard to remember. Shuttle and ABIT are just as bad. You've got pay 150+ to get a memorable name like the Dragon from SOYO.
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but abit is consistant. i don't have a hard time remebering kg7 and kt7.
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I think the MSI boards aren't too bad, I've had a few of them since my k6-2 days. I just purchased a system with the MSI 6380 motherboard using the KT266A chipset.
It garnered some attention from a few tech sites, and was priced right. I'll let you know how it works out.
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Unless Soyo's quality of components and QC have markedly improved during the last ~2 years I suggest avoiding their mainboards. Completely.
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I'm trying to find a replacement for my motherboard;

I believed the reviews and got a 8kha+ and a XP1800 and I got pathetic memory scores (with DDR 2400). Don't even talk about overclocking, it doesn't work at 140mhz bus, so I need to stay at 133mhz where I get results well below all the reference board benchmarked on the net; epox tech service is good at sending pregenerated messages, but don't hope to talk with anybody live.
so, overall a very big disappointment; not so much for the board as it could happen, maybe I got a lemon, but the fact that the company doesn't offer any support; either they have to acknowledge that it's not supposed to go faster than what I have, or recognize mine has a problem and get it exchanged (I think I'm going to RMA mine anyways) as an example, I wrote an email complaining about a few problems (lockup when I reset for example) and I mention I couldn't have the bus above 133mhz; they replied that they don't support overclocking while the majority of the mail was about problems occuring at normal speed; they don't support their customers properly and I'm very disappointed (that's why my actual crusade is to let everybody know on the boards so that they don't get in the same situation as me)

at the same time, I'm looking for a good kt266a board too are there any good tried'n'true on the market yet, or should I wait for the nforce ?
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The mass of posters on this and other forums talking up the greatness of this mainboard, as well as Anand and Tom's glowing commentary about it lead me to beleive you've got a lemon. I can't think Epox has the power to draw these sites into a conspiracy to sell a few more boards. Have you spoken w/ the Epox tech at this forum about your problems. 266a Epox board is still being shipped, but he seems to answer any questions.
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I tried two things:

epox tech support: emailed me back pregenerated messages; I mailed about a few problems and not being able to even go to 140mhz bus was one of them; they were quick to ignore all the problems occuring at 133 to say they don't support overclocking; all the other questions were ignored, even after I mailed them back twice

on the forum, I started the thread: http://www.aoaforums.com/forum/showt...&threadid=1283

and the specialist's reply was that I was maybe confused and naive about what to expect from the motherboard; I don't think a 5 percent increase in speed is being naive, the specs should allow a 5 percent variation; the question of low performance at 133 was ignored at well

with two sets of ram, every component changed (but the video card, going to try that one tonight, but it's a brand new gforce3 ti500) and the cpu. I get the same results which are about 25 percent slower than all the tests (tomshardware and anandtech included) on reference boards

trying with memtest86 (under dos), at 140 fsb there are memory errors; I tried two different sets of 2 * 256mb ram; it's 2400 ram (2100 tested at 150mhz); the first set had this problem, I thought the store hadn't tested it as promised, so I got another set that was really tested and same problem; I tried the stick one by one at 140mhz. So if 4 sticks fail at 140 mhz, but pass at 133 and two of them were run at 150 on another computer, I believe memory is not the main problem.

At 133, no errors, everything works fine, but the benchmarks are 25 percent slower than ALL the benchmarks I've seen on the net for normal speed

Epox seems to ignore completly; I'm getting a new board (I've one of the early boards), and if it fails again or has one of the problems everybody has (lockup on reset, lots of boards are DOA, etc), I'll just give up on them. I'll post the details when I get to know more
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I'm not replying to argue. You seem to have documented your situation well and to your credit, I've noticed that the Epox tech guy takes negatives about his company as a personal slam and cops some attitude. He still usually has good info, though. I have no idea why you're unable to exceed the 133mhz spec. As for your performance at 133mhz. What about CAS latency, Precharge times, etc. I should check, but instead I'll guess that Tom is running w/ all settings maxed at the edge of stability. CAS latency alone could make a HUGE difference. I hope you get this resolved. I also find it unnerving about their tech support. I haven't heard any other complaints, but most of the people I've heard from go through this forum to the tech guy and not Epox support itself.
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My mistake. I see you've already been through timings. I've got the same HD and I will soon have a nearly identical system. I'll be going w/ Corsair Memory. It still uses micron chips, so I'll see what I can get.
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I've the 2-6-2 on the ram, 4 interleave, 8 burst length, etc; so that's already with everything maxed out;

what kinda irritated me is that epox' only answer from a human is sounds like 'you shouldn't do that', and from the tech here 'you're naive' while I've had computers since the early 8 bits, studied electronics and have been writing video games for a living for the past 12 years; I believe it qualifies me enough to know if something works or not.

also, not many things can slow something down; I mean things either work or don't usually, they are not slower, so it limits quite lots the possibilities; apparently, from another thread, my memory scored under dos seem good, but they're lame with winxp, so that probably indicates a problem there that could be solved through drivers, etc

but the 140mhz issue seem to be a completly different problem and that's why I'm pointing out the quality: 140 is roughly 5 percent from 133; if something doesn't perform with a 5 percent margin in tolerances, it's a piece of crap; that probably means that the hardware I have barely works, it's probably one of these boards that was lucky to pass the test, but shouldn't have and that could explain the massive number of DOA boards that Epox has never commented about
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