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Old 15th December, 2002, 03:46 AM
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Without going to look around 3 or 4 post violated our rule about blanket condemnations of EPoX. They went from reporting an issue to speculation concerning EPoX's integrity as a company, to asserting that EPoX had no integrity.

Both ET and Holst are fine and honest men doing what they can to help our membership and AOA. I won't subject them to having to listen to such garbage. Especially as the question at hand has been acknowledged and awaits and outcome. There may be a problem with Leadtech cards and this board. I think it unlikely as all hell, but I have been wrong, just SO wrong so many times....

But to make accusations about the company at this point is both unethical and rude. I might have deleted select posts, but then I would to have to listen to people cry that I was trying to suppress the truth!

Also I'm selfish enough in my argument to wish the world to see the very effect I predicted, people who are basically ignorant of hardware jumping on the "EPoX is bad" band wagon.


Again, there is an issue, that good people wish to see addressed, nothing wrong with that, but it is not without it's consequences for EPoX, even if she be as innocent as a lamb.
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Hi Daniel,

you have the opinion, that those few issues are statistically insignificant, right?

Since many people don't want to believe, that their GF4 could be concerned, a few cautions can't be harm the situation!

I didn't want to call with my suggestion, to risk by carelessness this expensive hardware.

My intention is, that I want, that the users be carefully and extremely cautiousness in this case!


My English is over the years since I left school perhaps somewhat clumsily. That could have led to misunderstandings, I ask to excuse this!
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I accept your explanation.
The reason I started the thread in the first place was to get EPoX attention to this.
Now they got the message, I´m happy.

I will put my faith to EPoX support wich in my opinion are great, if they do find an issue I hope that they also make it official.
We don´t need more fried gfx.
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Hi Daniel,

you have the opinion, that those few issues are statistically insignificant, right?

Since many people don't want to believe, that their GF4 could be concerned, a few cautions can't be harm the situation!

I didn't want to call with my suggestion, to risk by carelessness this expensive hardware.

My intention is, that I want, that the users be carefully and extremely cautiousness in this case!


My English is over the years since I left school perhaps somewhat clumsily. That could have led to misunderstandings, I ask to excuse this!
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I was completely sincere, I feel you gave good advice!

We can stumble along together and get to know each other, then there will be fewer misunderstandings...yes? ":O}
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Old 15th December, 2002, 04:18 AM
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I accept your explanation.
The reason I started the thread in the first place was to get EPoX attention to this.
Now they got the message, I´m happy.

I will put my faith to EPoX support wich in my opinion are great, if they do find an issue I hope that they also make it official.
We don´t need more fried gfx.
Absolutely! No one wants to see anyone hurt by this. If EPoX screwed the pooch on this, I sincerely believe that she would win instant world wide support by coming forward and saying so. There are two others who feel the same way but duty compels their silence.
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If they do find an issue and stepped forward and told so, they would most definatly get huge support.

Lets see what they find.
I´m not in the position where I can buy a dozen motherboards and GF4 to try out.
I´ll leave that for the professionals
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I leave it to the rich professionals! LOL

Yeah you can bet the retailers and Computer build to order folks will sing a song if there is some thing amiss.
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The main thing, the issue is examined seriously by Epox! I'm sure, Epox will be fair in this case, as they always were!
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well im having big issues with this 8rda+ and my now dead gf4...i wish i woulda believed what i was reading.....im so turned off by this...
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Better believe this, it's hard, but it's a matter of fact!
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well im having big issues with this 8rda+ and my now dead gf4...i wish i woulda believed what i was reading.....im so turned off by this...
Do you mean that you also smoked a GF4 on 8RDA+?
Have you tried the gfx in another rig?
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One more GF4 gone, xgman reported a dead evga Ti4600 when mouting it on 8RDA+
Updated the list.
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No, it is fact that there are reported loses. There is no conclusive evidence to point to a cause or a common cause for those losses. There is no way of determining at this time weather losses among those using this board are any higher or lower than those who do not.

That it bears looking into is all that can really be said.
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I am not claiming I have evidence for anything.
Facts:
At AOA forums there have been 11 reported dead GF4 when switching to/using 8RDA+.
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Reported yes. Cause undetermaned.
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That is why I am so stubborn to update the list.
To get some answers, hopefully from EPoX.
If they find nothing wrong with the board, fine.
If they find it´s related to some gfx manufacturers, fine.

I just don´t buy user mistakes, not 11 in AOA forums at this short period of time.
I have never ever hard of such a thing before and have been building rigs for several years.
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It is all about customer relation. As long as there is no additional cost involved to make a customer happy, many companies will say things and do to make their customer happy without go over the line of lying. Customer relation is never about who is right and who is wrong. It is all about making the customer happy about the brand and the product at minimal cost. If today we know Epox noticed this matter and it makes us happy, let it be.
Got to disagree EluSiOn. Customer relations is about communication, be it good news or bad. Customer satisfaction is an entirely different subject. Nothing I have seen here yet convinces me that there is a problem with the Epox board, just that some people are having problems. Silence probably/possibly just means there is nothing to say.

I also disagree with Daniel as statistically I feel that the results are significant. Lets be generous and say that there are 20 dead GF4's, most of which have probably been abused in some way . According to Epox site they have manufacuring capacity of 240000 units per month. I obviously have no breakdown of models but lets speculate and say its only 5% of production for 8RDA. That means 10000+ boards and 0.2% of owners have had an issue. That level of manufacturing problems would be an issue for any manufacturer and would most probably be identified and engineered out of the process. Therefore when I say significant I feel that it gives more weight to the argument that it is NOT a board issue.

Combine that with Epox own in house testing (see URL), presumably they tested more than one :clown: with the shipping bios and GF4's. I cant help thinking that if there was a problem they would have noticed it before shipping.

http://www.epox.nl/english/company4.htm

Anyway I hope I'm right. I just ordered one:nervous:
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I could also write what I think about it but I will not.
Why?
Because it´s just speculations.

Hopefully EPoX can bring out the facts.
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List updated, bradmax57 reported one more.
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ive been talking with fuad abazovic from the inquirer who recently did a review of the epox nforce 2 an mentioned to him that gf4s have been reported to be dying whether by conincidence or something else. he mentioned to me that his gf4 ti4600 has recently died in the epox board also

Hey Dustin

my Geforce 4 TI 4600 also died recently in the same motherboard which is extremely big coincidence

speaking with Epox to see that it could be

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