Direct-Die water cooling - Page 3

Staz · #41 (**permalink**) 14th February, 2004, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by gizmo

I'd like to build one up and send it off to Overclockers and have them bench it to see how it fairs against the others on the market, but I have no idea who to talk to.

joecitarella@sprintmail.com

Gizmo · #42 (**permalink**) 14th February, 2004, 11:55 AM

Hmmm.........I sent him an e-mail several weeks ago and never got a response. Maybe I'll try again...

Daniel ~ · #43 (**permalink**) 14th February, 2004, 12:07 PM

So what are we chopped liver? ":O}

SurlyJoe, as has been pointed out has a bit of experience with on die cooling. You might drop him a line.
surlyjoe@aoaforums.com

Great work gizmo!!

BTW, your back up in lights! ":O}
http://www.aoaforums.com/

purplemohawkman · #44 (**permalink**) 14th February, 2004, 12:47 PM

or you could make more and sell them

Gizmo · #45 (**permalink**) 14th February, 2004, 06:34 PM

purplemohawkman - Heh. The thought had crossed my mind. Question is, just how many people out there are insane enough to buy one? And mounting it is not exactly for the timid.

Daniel ~ - COOL!

purplemohawkman · #46 (**permalink**) 14th February, 2004, 06:40 PM

sell them on a order by order basis, and im willing to bet theres some people that would want it if it was available, hmmm thought of a nifty idea on the same line as direct die cooling, what if it was done to a peltier???? have a cold plate, pelt and direct water cooling on the pelt!

Gizmo · #47 (**permalink**) 14th February, 2004, 08:57 PM

You could do that with a pelt, but I don't think it would be worth while. Pelts have a much larger surface area to dissipate heat, and their energy density is much lower. Simple water cooling is more than sufficient for them, I would think.

Gizmo · #48 (**permalink**) 15th February, 2004, 06:09 PM

Well, I'm gonna write up a review of my AN-7 and give it to Robbie to see if it is worthy of being published, but my initial glowing reaction to this board has been dimmed by two things:

1) Abit have apparently decided that they are the only ones who are going to write any overclocking utilities or monitoring utilities for future boards. They won't release the specs on how to talk to the uGuru circuitry to so that the MBM5 author can make it work properly. This, coupled with the fact that the utilities that Abit ships with the board for this purpose STINK, makes overclocking a bit difficult.

2) The bios appears to have a few issues to work out. It remains to be seen how frequently they will be posting fixes.

In short, although the AN-7 has some nice features, serious overclockers should stay with the NF7-S for now, IMHO.

Daniel ~ · #49 (**permalink**) 15th February, 2004, 06:44 PM

As we exist to inform our readers rather than make life easier for those who make the products we all use; All we ask is that those who make submissions,is that they "tell it like it is".... you don't seem to have to much trouble doing that! LOL

robbie · #50 (**permalink**) 15th February, 2004, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel ~

As we exist to inform our readers rather than make life easier for those who make the products we all use; All we ask is that those who make submissions,is that they "tell it like it is".... you don't seem to have to much trouble doing that! LOL

Agreed,

This is probably ONE of the main reasons hardware manufactures don't send us there products to review them. If I think it sucks I'm going to say so!!!
Rob

Gizmo · #51 (**permalink**) 29th February, 2004, 09:13 PM

Well, I managed to kill my AN-7 while experimenting with a new nozzle configuration that actually seems to work even better than what I had. However, the death of my AN-7 was NOT related to the cooling experiment.

Seems I went into the BIOS, just for the heck of it, and set my Trcd to 1, and then rebooted, only the machine never rebooted. This wasn't entirely unexpected, so I simply cycled power (after counting to twenty slowly to make SURE that it wasn't going to come back up). The board STILL didn't come back up. I eventually pulled out and disconnected EVERYTHING except the CPU, and the board still won't do anything.

As luck would have it, my repaired NF7-S arrived Friday from Abit, so I slammed that back in, brought the system up to a DOS prompt and pulled the bios chip from the AN-7 and swapped with the bios chip in the NF7, and then used AwdFlash to dump the contents. The entire flash has been cleared, as far as I can tell. So, I've got another mobo to send to Abit for repair.

Daniel ~ · #52 (**permalink**) 29th February, 2004, 09:32 PM

If this keeps up we'er going to have to buy a junk yard Dog to keep the riff-raff out...wait we ARE the riff Raff!!

Sorry your still overclocking under a dark cloud.

Gizmo · #53 (**permalink**) 4th March, 2004, 11:14 PM

Well, my dark cloud seems to be lifting.

I flashed my AN7 chip in my NF7 mobo using the awdflash /f option, and my AN7 is back up and running again. Unfortunately, my 'repaired' NF7 doesn't want to boot anything but a floppy, dunno why. It also complains that the CPU has been changed every time I power it up. Gonna have to send it back to Abit again, I guess. (sigh)

Well, at least now I can finish my AN7 review.

And get back to overclocking. I've got a pair of 2500+M chips that I want to play with also with my new water cooling rig.

I think I may break down and get a Danger Den RBX and a slk800+ for comparison to verify if I'm really doing as good as I think I am. I'll have to turn them back around and resell them when I'm done, of course. As long as I don't lose too much on them when I resell them, it should be a good investment for comparison purposes. I know whatever thinks I'm a complete loon

for going to all this trouble, especially for what he is able to get with air. It'd be nice to have some side-by-side benchies with the exact same hardware, so that I can make a qualitative evaluation of whether it has been worth the trouble or not.

Unless Abit wake up and smell the coffee on the AN-7, I'll probably end up selling it, too, and going back to my NF7-S (once it actually works again). They need to AT LEAST get their AbitEq OC utility working in a reliable fashion, as well as the overclocking code in µGuru.

Gizmo · #54 (**permalink**) 14th March, 2004, 02:36 AM

My AN-7 bit the dust today. Dunno for sure what happened, but I was working along on it, just getting ready to shut down and attach the new water block when all of a sudden it started smoking and I started smelling burning Bake-Lite. Then it just died. Some traces over by the Vcore regulator were burned off the board. I'm still mystified by what happened, since I wasn't even pushing the board at the time; it was running bog standard settings.

Anyway, I'm back up and running on my NF7-S. Saturday was a REALLY crappy day (for other reasons). I'm hoping Sunday will be a bit better. Hopefully, I'll get a chance to get my new WB hooked up.

Gizmo · #55 (**permalink**) 19th March, 2004, 09:13 AM

Got the new WB hooked up, but now my SCSI controller is dead.

ARRRRGH!

Well, at least I have an IDE drive I can boot off of and play with the WB until I get my SCSI controller RMA'd. I also found a second SCSI controller on E-bay for cheap that I bought, so I'll have it for a spare.

TANJ but TANSTAAFL, either.