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Old 17th August, 2002, 10:26 PM
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AMD New Plans For Athlon XP

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AMD will introduce Athlon XP 2400+ and Athlon XP 2600+ for desktop PCs toward the end of the month. AMD new schedule calls for an Athlon XP 2800+ chip later in the year. AMD is considering boosting the speed of Athlon XP's 266MHz front-side bus to faster 333MHz. The move would give the chip a performance boost by better matching the chip's bus frequency with its higher clock speed. The chip would also be able to take better advantage of higher bandwidth DDR333 memory.

AMD could pair the faster bus with a new version of the Athlon XP chip, code-named Barton, which is expected later in the year. The combination would allow AMD to produce new chips that are at least a couple of model numbers higher than the current ones. Barton has a larger, 512KB level 2 cache, allowing the chip to store more data on board and therefore increasing its performance. This new Athlon chip, expected to carry a model number of 3000+ or higher, is on track to begin shipping to PC makers later this year for wide scale introduction to the public early next year.

What do you think about this??? Who will be King of CPU in 2nd part of 2k2 and 2k3 year??? Intel or AMD??
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Market wise, Intel will be king for some time to come I think.

Performance wise, Intel and AMD will be pretty close Q4 with Intel having a slight lead, AMD will rule the roost by a small margin in Q1-Q2, and Intel will catch up a bit in Q3-Q4 when they introduce the Prescotte core on 90nm lithography. I think we are going to be looking at some leap-frogging like the good-ole race to 1GHz days. Maybe this time they will race to 5GHz
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Jeff you counting hammer in that? Because if AMD can get em up to respectable clock rates they are going to trounce everything at 32bit apps let alone 64bit, clock for clock 30% faster than an AXP sounds pretty nippy to me! With the PR system i doubt a proper race will occur. But we should see some leap frogging performance wise im sure!
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I'm curious of support Barton CPU's .Synchro FSB 333mhz and VIA KT266A motherboard's first problem of boosting FSB big PCI itp.
I hope I can change Epox 8KHA+ to different mobo (KT333) . I will send e-mail to shop which sell me 8KHA+ . I think all will be good
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Jeff you counting hammer in that? Because if AMD can get em up to respectable clock rates they are going to trounce everything at 32bit apps let alone 64bit, clock for clock 30% faster than an AXP sounds pretty nippy to me! With the PR system i doubt a proper race will occur. But we should see some leap frogging performance wise im sure!
Yes I am counting Hammer. 64bitness won't add a lot of performance for desktop users, it will only be beneficial to us less than 2% of the time, it does however have it's place in servers and scientific computing.

Where Hammer really shines:

While the Xeon can use 36bit-address emulation to address up to 64GB of memory, this emulation is slow and only allows a single application thread to access a maximum 4GB. Hammer can address more than 4GB of memory per application thread, 128GB total(though the instruction set itself is designed to be able to address much more), and all at full speed. This is particularly useful when working with highly detailed complex digital audio or video; it also has uses in certain server environments.

P4's and P4 based Xeon's currently only have 8 general-purpose registers due to limitations of the IA-32 instruction set. The x86-64 instruction set call for register extension, which double the number to 16. This is highly useful in scientific computing. Further all the general-purpose registers had to be extended from 32 to 64bit precision.

P4's, Xeon's, P3's, and Athlon XP's all have only 8 128bit precision streaming SIMD x87 compatible floating point registers. Hammer doubles this number to 16 as well, but left the precision fixed at a more than sufficient 128bits. Again this will help with scientific computing, as well as media production, and software 3D-scene rasterization.

Low latency integrated memory controller.

Is it possible for Intel to address all these areas without migrating to a 64bit-instruction set? Abso-****ing-lutely !!! It'd be my guess that this is what PNI (Prescott New Instructions, AKA "Yamhill Technology") will be all about. And the low latency memory controller can be battled with additional/faster cache.
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Perhaps the only important thing for people to do that like AMD more than Intel is: Buy processors from AMD. If AMD withers, Intel will be back to its same unethical tricks in a moment.

Remember? The Emperor of Marketing Maximalisation will be "innovating" like crazy. You want fifty more Hertz? $300, please. Oh, you thought we said Socket 419? We meant Socket 431. Enjoy! Did you want a Celeron? Was that Celeron, Celeron2 or Celeron Tualatin?

Why does the Pentium III-S still beat the performance of many P4's---Xeon P4's, no less? No comment.

I love Chipzilla. Oh yeah.
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I love neither company. AMD would like to rape you just as much as Intel, they just aren't in a possition to do so. AMD is only good for the consumer until they own 50% of the x86 CPU market, once they own more than that they become everything that is Intel . . .

But don't get me wrong, I don't hate Intel. Intel has innovated a lot, and for that I am thankful. Whenever a firm raises the bar a notch or two it is good for the consumer . . .

I just want to see the a more equal x86 playing field, with perhaps a few more viable players. If only copywrites would expire after a period of time . . .

I like to hope that VIA will prove itself worthy of more CPU market share in the coming years. I like to believe they are working on a hardware and software compatible hammer clone . . .
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Hmmm . . .

AMD is just moving to 130nm and Intel is talking about moving to 90nm already . . .

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MzM4

AMD in trouble methinks . . .
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