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Old 10th September, 2002, 10:12 PM
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Ten-Fold Performance Leap in Future Transistors

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AMD Announces Technology to Enable Ten-Fold Performance Leap in Future Transistors

SUNNYVALE, CA—September 10, 2002—AMD (NYSE: AMD) today announced it has fabricated the smallest double-gate transistors reported to date using industry standard technology. These transistors, measuring ten nanometers, or ten billionths of a meter in length (gate), are six times smaller than the smallest transistors currently in production. AMD's research breakthrough could foster the placement of a billion transistors on the same size chip that currently holds 100 million transistors, enabling a vastly richer computing experience.

Transistors are the miniscule on/off switches that make up the integrated circuits in today's microprocessors. A double-gate transistor structure effectively doubles the electrical current that can be sent through a given transistor. The Fin Field Effect Transistor (FinFET) design relies upon a thin vertical silicon "fin" to help control leakage of current through the transistor when it is in the "off" stage. This design combination allows for the creation of new chips with enhanced performance and ever-shrinking geometries.

"Transistor development is essential to the creation of higher-performing products for our customers," said Craig Sander, AMD's vice president of Technology Development. "The entire semiconductor industry is working to meet the increasing challenges of developing new transistor designs that are smaller and higher-performing and yet can be manufactured with minimal deviation from today’s industry standard manufacturing processes. The FinFET transistor indicates we can continue to deliver very high performance products while preserving the basic technology infrastructure our industry relies upon."

AMD's laboratory demonstration of ten nanometer Complementary Metal Oxide Semiconductor Fin Field Effect Transistor (CMOS FinFET) is the outcome of collaborative research between AMD and the University of California, Berkeley with support from the Semiconductor Research Corporation (SRC). The devices were fabricated in AMD’s Submicron Development Center.

"The superior leakage control characteristics make FinFET transistors an attractive candidate for future nano-scale CMOS generations, which are expected to be in manufacturing within the next decade," said Dr. Tsu-Jae King, Associate Professor of Electrical Engineering and Computer Sciences at U.C. Berkeley. “The FinFET device characteristics indicate strong potential for extending the scalability of CMOS technology.”

AMD and the University of California will present the paper, titled "FinFET Scaling to 10 nm Gate Length" at the International Electron Devices Meeting (IEDM) held in San Francisco, December 9-11, 2002.
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Should note, modern mass manufactured transistors are 130nm in length, these puppies are 10nm in lenth. It was previously though that they wouldn't be able to go smaller than 40nm. This is good news because it means faster and smaller CPUs next decade than what was previously anticipated.
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I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Intel tries to get a license to use these":O}
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If AMD applies for a patent, and is awarded one, Intel doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting a license, not with the hate Jerry Sanders feels for the other camp.

However, AMD created these transistors along side the University of California with help from the Semiconductor Research Corporation, so just exactly whose intellectual property this is I don't know. A patent may be awarded jointly to the three parties, in which case Intel may be able to license the technology.

Patents expire in 20 years, so sooner or later Intel will have the opportunity to implement these. Intel is probably working on a rival technology as I type this though. "There is more than one way to skin a cat" most likely applies here.
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Patents expire in 20 years, so sooner or later Intel will have the opportunity to implement these. Intel is probably working on a rival technology as I type this though. "There is more than one way to skin a cat" most likely applies here.
20 years is a lifetime in the computer business. By then, I doubt Intel would want to license it since most likely, something newer and better will have been developed.

I'm sure you're correct in your cat analogy. Intel has massive R&D money and if they feel they need something new to not lose market share, they'll do everything in their power to make it so.

Look at the history of Microsoft and Netscape. Netscape develops awesome new technology. Microsoft comes up with something almost as good and gives it away driving Netscape out of business. As I recall, Microsoft spent over $2 billion to create Internet Explorer. They could have bought Netscape for less.
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Now mook, you know Microsoft didn't really give away Explorer, it is an inseparable piece of the Windows operating system
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About that other cat skinning method, it seems the Inquirer has the skinny on some of Intel's future process technology. Go here to learn more.
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intel has some deeep pockets, if they took out a loan they could probably buy amd (j/k i doubt it but anyone know the math?)

i met some people that work at intel; they say its a pretty good deal: $40k salary; benefits; 3-4days a week at work with only 2yrs of college and advancement opportunities etc BUT intel is like big brother they say: stretch periods big company meetings to promote morale etc......
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SO... how long will it be before we can get an 8-cpu board with CPUs that use this technology?
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intel has some deeep pockets, if they took out a loan they could probably buy amd (j/k i doubt it but anyone know the math?)
Intel probably won't even need a loan. If they wanted to and if the Federal Trade Commission were to allow it, they could probably buy AMD with cash on hand. As of today, AMD's market capitalization was a little under $2.5 billion. Which basically means that Bill Gates could buy like 20 of them.
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Kind of makes you wonder why Microshaft doesn't just buy AMD and make a system on a chip for Xbox2. Somehow I suspect Jerry Sanders wouldn't go along with such a deal. But it won't be long before the old man has no say at, who knows what will happen then.
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