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robbie 12th January, 2004 04:13 PM

What's so special about it?
 
I have a 2600+ and it runs at 2.13 Ghz (stock) I've noticed that the new 2800+ runs at 2.08 Ghz (stock) I've seen them both shown (at Bizrate.com) to run at the same speed, and the 2600+ be $20 cheaper.

So what's the big deal with the 2800+?!?!
Rob

SteveI 12th January, 2004 04:25 PM

I think the 2800+ is the barton.

Tbred
the 2600+ = 2.13 is running 266fsb
the 2600+ = 2.08 is running 333fsb.

Barton:
the 2600+ = 1.92 is running 333fsb
the 2800+ = 2.08 is running 333fsb
the 3000+ = 2.10 is running 400fsb
the 3200+ = 2.20 is running 400fsb

Gotta love AMD's naming system.
AMD offers 3 models of 2600+, and you the dumb consumer are supposed to think they're the same... Only those annoying hobbyists are confusing the situaiton, trying to identify the core, and the stock FSB for no good reason.... except to try to match compatibility with their systems.

Daniel ~ 12th January, 2004 07:01 PM

Think of it as "Marketing Genius" at work...NOT!

danrok 12th January, 2004 11:03 PM

Intel's counting system:

286, 386, 486, Pentium, PII & Celeron, PIII, P4, ...?

I think Cyrix took 586, so Intel couldn't use it, hence the Pentium.

See how the P4 is not the PIV - maybe they thought most people can only count to 3 in Roman Numerals.

And, how many people wonder why their AMD XP2600 doesn't run at 2600mhz?

All thanks to marketing.

SteveI 13th January, 2004 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danrok
...I think Cyrix took 586, so Intel couldn't use it, hence the Pentium.
...

Intel tried to trademark the x86's completely when 486 was king, in order to stop AMD, who was selling 486's that were identical in performance to intel. The court said no when AMD appealed, so AMD was able to continue to use the 486 name. Intel wanted to differentiate, and used Pentium for it's next name(Penta refers to 5). Remember when L2 cache was on the mobo with 486s? Intel actually told OEMs that the Pentium was so fast that no cache was necessary.... Early adopters got screwed big time with an inefficient design, but I digress.

Since Pentium is not a real word, it is easy to trademark. The logic of Pentium 2,3,4 is completely silly since it kinda means 5th generation version 2, 3, 4... duh.

mookydooky 13th January, 2004 01:28 AM

Everyone thought that after Pentium, Intel would go with "SEXIUM" for their 6th generation chip. :D

tjf_diesel 13th January, 2004 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robbie
I have a 2600+ and it runs at 2.13 Ghz (stock) I've noticed that the new 2800+ runs at 2.08 Ghz (stock) I've seen them both shown (at Bizrate.com) to run at the same speed, and the 2600+ be $20 cheaper.

So what's the big deal with the 2800+?!?!
Rob

To try and answer your question. AMD came out with the Barton core with more L2 cache. They run slower, as you pointed out, than the none Barton core XP's, but "perform better" with the greater amount of L2 cache.

I agree that they do overly rate their CPU's.

robbie 13th January, 2004 03:48 AM

SHEEETTTTT!!!!! I BOUGHT A 333 FSB CPU!!!! And I got stuck with a 266!!!!?!?!?!?!?! Let this be a warning to anyone that orders CPU'S online!!!!
Rob

timbob2469 13th January, 2004 05:16 AM

You should have gone to eXcaliber , they guarantee their steppings, and motherboard revision levels.
Bob

Staz 13th January, 2004 03:32 PM

I agree that you wouldn't have had that proplem at excaliber. Nor at Newegg most likely. Where did you get it? and did it say anywhere in the discription that it was 333FSB? cause if it did and they have a good RMA policy you should be able to get it replaced. If you bought it at buyextremegear.com you are screwed.

timbob2469 14th January, 2004 03:52 AM

A word to the wise click . After the page loads, then click "find a reseller". I always run a quick check there to see what the latest ratings are for a potential vendor.
Bob


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