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Old 8th November, 2008, 09:55 AM
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Here is a link. Think it can't be done?

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I have your answer. He did it with a pin mod as I suspected, and a secret weapon:
XtremeSystems Forums - View Single Post - For those using the e4300 that have reached a FSB "wall"

Read this thread and his post #17. The mod is not terribly difficult, with the right stuff you could do it but of course it voids all warrantees. You still will not get to 4G though, even with the pin mod.

That is because you will notice in his post that he was using a Prometia MachIIGT Phase-change device. That means he was cooling sub-zero on his rig.

I would be willing to guarantee 99.99% it cannot be done otherwise. Sorry to bust your balloon, but you will still do well getting to 3.3 or so. You may be able to do this without the mod. If you get stuck with the FSB, you would have to do the mod to get to 3.3-3.4. Still a good overclock for a 1.8G chip.
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Damn- you're so good at that!

I had decided to stop the push for 4.0, at least for now.
To many things are going wrong and my little ducks won't get lined up! And that is something that when and if I make a run at it [I won't mod the chip, thats out] it will be when I'm fully confident in my machine and myself, and that just not happening right now, and then I'll take her up as high as she'll go and where that is is where it is.
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With overclocking it's always good to have a realistic target in mind, one that is definitely achievable by a number of others; if ymv+, then good for you.

That guy's result was out of the ordinary - and with the gear he was using it's no wonder. Sub-zero phase change cooling of its type is nearly $1000USD.

When you are ready just follow the tried and true. As with all new overclocks, you have to see first how far the FSB will go without being inhibited by the memory. This usually means to get a 1:1 divider going and push the FSB and the voltage if needed until it won't move anymore. If it is between 300 and 350 or so, you have one of the chips that are impeded by this FSB "wall"- the same one my friend's e4300 had. The pin mod simply gave us more overhead.

For us it was easy to overclock - just not easy to get a very high overclock. In the end we were both happy enough with what we got, which was a 1.6G overclock of a 1.8G processor. That was on water, but you might be able to do it as well with high-end air cooling.
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Are there other fan monitering and controlling programs besides Speedfan? Last night I started to set it up and I noticed something a little important. I shut down the 3 fans that it was monitoring [I have four 3pin to the board] and the temps didn't change 1c. not any of them.
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The XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 arrived yesterday. "It isn't installed yet?" You ask. Nope and mabe not today.
Yesterday was Nerology day as well as war day with KFA2.
Their replacement arived but it was a different card. I bought the 9600GT OC 512Mb, They sent me a 960GT Slim Version.
No VGA out, 1 DVI out. To top it off the card had been used and the VGA to DVI adapter was missing.
To make a long story short, I'm being upgraded to the 9600GT 1GB OC.
The mounting brackets that attach the Heat Sink to the board are not to specs so I have figure 0ut how mount the brackets. .
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With a little more case airflow, I managed to get down to 25c idle 35c playing warhammer (not 100% load. 50-75%, but using both cores.)

It's only a 939 3800x2 @ stock speed in a 16-17c room, but damn.

The fans are a bit excessive. The window fan is drawing fresh air in. The heatsink fan is pushing air upward through the heatsink, and the rear 120, and psu 120, are exhausting heat from the hot side. The side intake is centered vertically on the video card, helping to push it's exhausted heat out of the dead pocket of air at the bottom of the case.
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Sorry for the picture being sideways.
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HDT-S1283 arrived yesterday. I haven't installed yet-other issues to deal with. First pics: I forgot to get another full load but It's 49c t0 51c.

The brackets that hold the sink to the board are not built to spec I'm have to make a couple of adjustments, but these brackets are real steal, I don't have the tools to work with steel!

One other observation. The heat pipes do come into direct contact with the CPU, But the pipes are round and the channel they sit in is square leaving a small gap
I wanted to float solder down the channels but my soldering kit isn't big enough, and I believe the pipes have a liquid inside. Makes soldering impossible! I'll head for Lowe's and see what I can find.
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In a word, "don't".

It's by design. The aluminum is not supposed to touch the chip. If you flaot solder in there, you do one of 2 things (both bad, with no upside to make it worth it).

First, if you simply fill the areas and manage to get it flat with the heatpipes still making full contact, you have now effectively jammed a shim under the aluminum, that will increase the clamping force as the aluminum heats up. Good right? NO. If the aluminum expands and pushes toward the chip, the heat pipe lift off the chip. Now it's going to be in the level of microns, but it will ruin your TIM.

Second option, you burry the pipes. Same thing happens as above, except now you have given up the benefits of direct touch, and have a second possible failure point at the pipe to solder union.

In conclusion: Don't **** with greatness.
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Try turning it so the fan is on the top, or the bottom, not facing forward or back. I don't know if the hole pattern is square, but imo, it shouldn't be, so that might be your problem.
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In a word, "don't".

It's by design. The aluminum is not supposed to touch the chip. If you flaot solder in there, you do one of 2 things (both bad, with no upside to make it worth it).

First, if you simply fill the areas and manage to get it flat with the heatpipes still making full contact, you have now effectively jammed a shim under the aluminum, that will increase the clamping force as the aluminum heats up. Good right? NO. If the aluminum expands and pushes toward the chip, the heat pipe lift off the chip. Now it's going to be in the level of microns, but it will ruin your TIM.

Second option, you burry the pipes. Same thing happens as above, except now you have given up the benefits of direct touch, and have a second possible failure point at the pipe to solder union.

In conclusion: Don't **** with greatness.
The aluminum does come into contact with the chip. The pipes are layed in the channel, I'm assuming pressed, and then ,as a unit, it is machined flat, removing material from both the block and the pipes.
I did look around Lowe's but the only thing that ras remotly close was J.B. Weld and even I draw a line somewhere!
I know there has to be a difference in the way the two metals react to the heat but it seems it's not that important.

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Try turning it so the fan is on the top, or the bottom, not facing forward or back. I don't know if the hole pattern is square, but imo, it shouldn't be, so that might be your problem.
I think you missed the orentation on this thing. It's a stand up cooler with the fan blowing up or down the board. In my case there is only one way it goes and I had to cut a brace for that. This thing is big. I have a full tower and it was nip and tuck to get it in. Even with the brace being cut, I'm going to have to cut a hole in the side pannel-sure miscalculated that one! There is an upside. I droped 4c at idle! It's getting to late to run OCCT for very long. I'll run it for 15min and post loads along with idle.
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Here is what I've got at the moment:
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This is the effect Speedfan has on my rig.
What other programs monitor, adjust fan speeds and temps?
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A couple of pics with Badboy mounted on board. Then a couple with it installed-sure does fill a big hole!. I just added another fan to pull air through-I had no idea what the fan was, I just hooked it up, plugged it in and let her rip!
It has a 4500rpm and draws a lot of air- don't know weather it's good or bad yet. I'll know in the next day or so.
Need to do some clean up inside And deal with that top brace I had to cut and bend out of the way-almost forgot-cut a hole in the side panel!
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I wiped off the white goop, and applied AC5, and decided the room could be a bit cooler. The room is at about 60F atm. I don't think I got it centered on the chip. One core is running a little hotter than the other. I'm going to reinstall it tomorrow, and shim the slits on the base block with 2 pieces of copper wire, to get a little more clamping force.

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It doesn't seem to mind a tiny little OC either.
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I tore mine out-took care of an install situation I wasn't happy with. I cut the X brace completly out.
I also removed the TIM that I had applied and applied AS5-I read somethig yesterday I alredty knew but hadn't even thought of in this application. Copper carodes and if you add moisture, chemicle soup, and heat, it carodes rather quickly. Xigmatek does not mention this and doesn't supply a TIM that would alleaveate the problem. Feel free to help in the reaserch of this-I'm up to my knees in Alligators!

With the new instal, I changed oreantion of the fans. The 1200mm-800rpm to 1500rpm max stock fan went from a pushing fan to a puller. The pusher is a 90mm 4500rpm fan. OCCT for 7hrs was max 49c. There is a graph somewhere on my HDD I didn't find it.! (did't look to hard, either!)




MUff1n gave me a heads up-I'll pass it on. Use .jpg not .BMP for your screenshots. .BMP has to be stored and downloaded each time before you can view it.
You'll see the difference by looking at your own posts.

I put some OC on this morning. Here is a quick shot.

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Just how in the heck are you getting in the low 20c's at idle?
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Finally got the time to install the SMP client. Took me a couple of tries but it was relatively painless.

Overclocked to 2.4Gz with just upping the FSB from 800 to 1066, no other changes. I'll run a few tests today on that but I have no worries at all, been there!

Then I'll bump it to 3.0Ghz and here is where caution and small steps come into play.

Any way here is this afternoons efforts.
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MUff1n gave me a heads up-I'll pass it on. Use .jpg not .BMP for your screenshots. .BMP has to be stored and downloaded each time before you can view it.
You'll see the difference by looking at your own posts.


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Just how in the heck are you getting in the low 20c's at idle?
Glad you saw that on having your screenshots jpeg.

I don't know how he's getting such low idle temps but I can tell you how I'm getting them. I have my vcore set to default (1.15v at idle & 1.27v at load) with Enhance Powerslope enabled & having and ambient temp of 58F in my room now that it's much cooler outside.
Still haven't turned on the heat yet or burned the fireplace. Just wearing more cloths inside to stay warm...hands are cold though!
These are my current running temps...crazy low now & my computer loves it!

Oh btw PPM, really glad you got a mobo that likes all your HW & is playing nice with you!!!
That HS is one tall puppy there!!!
You went through a lot before you finally got this system up & running well! Man......
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Sorry about the bmps.

PPM, i'm not trying to annoy you, but what obstruction forced you to mount the cooler sideways like that? I don't quite understand. I don't know the dimensions of the hole pattern, is it not a square pattern, or is your cpu socket too close to the back of the board?
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