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Old 27th May, 2002, 05:38 PM
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8kha+ dead??

Not sure what happened but after all the soft rebooting problems my motherboard seems to be dead. System won't turn on at all. Cleared cmos. removed all the cards except for the video card. All I get is a 00 message from the led. tried reseating the ram and nothing. Damn board is dead. Any suggestions. Now I gotta look for a new mobo. Any suggestions. Looking to spend up to $140
Any one recommend a good site?
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Old 27th May, 2002, 07:10 PM
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Thanks. I just checked their site and they've got some great prices. I'm thinking on getting the Epox 8k3a+ but I'm not sure if this board supports pc2100 ram. I have a 512mb pc 2100 ddram and just wanna make sure it works on this mobo.
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The board supports PC2100. It also supports PC2700 in asychronous mode. Look at the "EPoX Motherboards" topic heading in the forum. There are a lot of threads, positive and negative, concerning this board.
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Thanks for the info. Just read some folks are having the same cold boot issues I had with my 8kha+. If this is gonna happen with the 8k3a+ then I'll pass on Epox. I can't stand those things. Guess its time to look at Gigabyte and a former old friend Asus.
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the cold boot issue is usually easily fixed.
it's a "standby" +5v power situation from what i understand...

and frankly, it should'nt happen with a *Proper* PSU

look into Shuttle's AK35GT-R rev. 2

Gigabyte... my overall opinion is just *blah*

Soltek is decent. better than Gigabyte.

Abit and Asus i will Not Ever buy.
not till they're RMA record drops from 80% defect rate..
and their products cost is on par with their competitions more feature-sporting offerings.
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I have to admit, Gigabyte didn't impress me at all. The last board I got from them, my USB mouse wouldn't work correctly without a beta BIOS update. Then the temperature readings were insane. I had two exactly the same rigs, one on an EPoX 8KHA+ and one on the Gigabyte GA-7VTXE+. My EPoX would give me readings of 46-49 at load. The Gigabyte would give me 58-63. It drove me nuts because I took the machine apart like 10 times trying to see if I did anything wrong. Turns out the 7VTXE+ just reads temps high.

I have an ASUS too. The A7V133. Too many driver problems. It's possible that it's the chipset since the ASUS is the only KT133 chipset board I have, but it has way too many issues with sound cards. Finally got an Audigy to work.

The last Abit I bought was a KT7A-Raid. Solid board. Just got it up and haven't had a problem with it since. The only problem is that since it's a Rev. 1.2, I can't use an AXP or a Morgan Duron.

I have the same soft rebooting problem as you with my 8KHA+. It is possible that it's a power issue. I have two of them right now with the same BIOS, and very similar equipment. The one with the $25 Enhance PSU with the 5V never dropping below 4.87 never exhibited this problem. The one with the $90 Enermax whose 5V drops periodically down to 4.63 never reboots correctly. I have another PSU, but I tied all the cables down and stuff on the Enermax and I'm just to lazy to go and take it apart to swap stuff out.

The most problem free board I've had to date has got to be the ECS K7S5A. The reason for that is probably because it's really tough to OC so you pretty much leave it alone. That and since I was building cheapo machines, I bought the $25 Enhances for all 4, so they don't have any power related issues.
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I have to admit, Gigabyte didn't impress me at all. The last board I got from them, my USB mouse wouldn't work correctly without a beta BIOS update.
this is Hella common with Giga it seems!

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I have an ASUS too. The A7V133. Too many driver problems. It's possible that it's the chipset since the ASUS is the only KT133 chipset board I have, but it has way too many issues with sound cards. Finally got an Audigy to work.
Rediculous, that you pay $50+ more for Asus or Abit and have half the bonus features, and twice as many problems with them

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The last Abit I bought was a KT7A-Raid. Solid board. Just got it up and haven't had a problem with it since. The only problem is that since it's a Rev. 1.2, I can't use an AXP or a Morgan Duron.
again! you'd think a BIOS would fix that, like with all the other mobo MFR's out there eh'?

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The one with the $25 Enhance PSU with the 5V never dropping below 4.87 never exhibited this problem. The one with the $90 Enermax whose 5V drops periodically down to 4.63 never reboots correctly.
yep, i bet the PSU is the problem... see my note down below.

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The most problem free board I've had to date has got to be the ECS K7S5A. The reason for that is probably because it's really tough to OC so you pretty much leave it alone.
i'm sure you've seen me brag about how nice the ECS boards are.
i'm very impressed with their quality. and your board does have an O/C'ers BIOS available if you're intrerested let me know and i'll find you the link


Now, about the power/cold boot issue~
i understand you can supplement the 5v line.
there are a few ways to do this, but there is soldering involved.
if you're interested in trying it, just say the word and i'll dig up the facts.
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I really want to get an epox 8k3a+. They're giving away a free usb 2.0 pci controller card.

But I might be willing to get an ECS mobo.

I'm looking with this features.

Support for ATA 133
Usb 2.0 if possible
No booting issues.
Support ddr pc2100,pc2700
Raid would be nice.

Let me know which Ecs mobo is a good choice.

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Now, about the power/cold boot issue~
i understand you can supplement the 5v line.
there are a few ways to do this, but there is soldering involved.
if you're interested in trying it, just say the word and i'll dig up the facts.
I am aware of the fixes available for the Enermax. I don't want to kill my PSU though because it's been like 10 years since I soldered anything. I will soon be building a P4 rig and from what I gather, those are more sensitive to fluctuations on the 12V line. If nothing else, Enermax is known for quality current on the 12V. I'm hoping that the P4 will like the Enermax then I don't have to do anything. If there are still issues, I guess I'll just have to break out the old soldering gun. I do have another PSU coming down the pike. One with 3A on the 5Vsb. That should be fine for the 8KHA+. Just waiting for it to arrive.

As for the ECS boards, I've OCed them all with CPUFSB. I love their stability. Not a hitch with a single one.

Thanks for the offers to help me out. I think for the Gigabyte board, a new BIOS will fix the temp problem like you said. I think I'm gonna go do that right now.
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I really want to get an epox 8k3a+. They're giving away a free usb 2.0 pci controller card.

But I might be willing to get an ECS mobo.

I'm looking with this features.

Support for ATA 133
Usb 2.0 if possible
No booting issues.
Support ddr pc2100,pc2700
Raid would be nice.

Let me know which Ecs mobo is a good choice.

Thanks.
The only ECS board with the features you are looking for is:

ECS K7VTA3-RAID

Here's a link to a review thanks to Cloasters:

http://www.tbreak.com/hard/mobo/ecs_..._31/index.html

Here's a link to where you can buy it.

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...ry=1414&DEPA=1

The ECS K7VTA3-RAID is on the bottom of the page.
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Saw the review for the Ecs. Turned me away for some reason.

Ok so its either the epox 8k3a+ or the Shuttle AK35GTR.
But wait there's another model Shuttle AK35GT2R.
Decisions, Desicions??

Definetly ordering from newegg.
Thank you all for your help. Never had a Shuttle mobo before not sure what to expect? I really wanna get the Epox mobo but I don't wanna have any cold booting issues like i did before.
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"AK35GT2R."

that is the one i referred to.

it's actual name, as silkscreened on the mobo...

is "AK35GT/R rev. 2.2"
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I have the same soft rebooting problem as you with my 8KHA+. It is possible that it's a power issue. I have two of them right now with the same BIOS, and very similar equipment. The one with the $25 Enhance PSU with the 5V never dropping below 4.87 never exhibited this problem. The one with the $90 Enermax whose 5V drops periodically down to 4.63 never reboots correctly. I have another PSU, but I tied all the cables down and stuff on the Enermax and I'm just to lazy to go and take it apart to swap stuff out.
You have been a bit unlucky here mook. The cheap enhance was just cheap, but the ernmax must have been one of the earlyer models that gave poor 5v line performance. This can be remedied with a soldering iron, but its far from an ideal fix.


Cold startup problems are usually PSU related (weather those who have the problem know it or not)

What PSU do you have solosmooth ?

If your running something of poor quality there is no guarantee that it will work right on any modern board (3 phase power is now commonplace)

It might be that your 8kha+ was just no good from the start and the boot problems were another symptom. Did you update the bios on the board as the earlyer bioses did have some boot problems ?
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I have an Antec pp403x 400W PSU.
I had the latest beta bios on the board. It didn't matter which bios version I used. I had the same problem all the time.
I had a K sticker on the bios.

Which PSU do you recommend for Epox motherboards. I'm really thinking about getting the 8k3a+.
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That antec is exclent- i have a 465 enermax w/ my 8k3A+ and it works great and i get a good o/c-
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You have been a bit unlucky here mook. The cheap enhance was just cheap, but the ernmax must have been one of the earlyer models that gave poor 5v line performance. This can be remedied with a soldering iron, but its far from an ideal fix.
I know about the fixes, but like I said before, I'm getting ready to build a P4 rig and I'll swap use it in that. I still love my 8KHA+. As a matter of fact, I got 2 refurbed ones for $49 each this past week. In the process of upgrading a Celeron machine and a KT133 chipset mobo, and you couldn't beat a deal like that.
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*UPDATE*

After looking through all my receipts, I noticed that my 8kha+ had a 1yr warranty. What a relief My warranty still had 3 months left. So I immediately called mb.com and asked for a replacement.
Mailed dead mobo and finally received my replacement 6/6/02.
I'm up and running now and motherboard runs perfect.
So far there aren't any cold boot issues.
New bios chip labeled AH 1.

Overall great service from mb.com. Fast, easy tech support.
But now newegg has my attention.
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