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Necorum 13th July, 2006 08:02 AM

Windows reinstallation Question
 
Ok I am reinstalling xp well after a good 2 years or so and well i was thinking of making one of my 300 gig hard drives into two partitions. One 50 gig partition and a 250 gig partition using Partition magic.

and reinstalling windows on the 50 gig partion after moving my stuff to the 250 gig partition ( music ,pictures etc) .


So would there be any problems doing this . Any slow down using two partitions etc ?


Just asking advice im thinking it should be fine and prob. better to use the two partitions to make reinstallations etc easier.

dsio 13th July, 2006 08:11 AM

You don't really need to format or anything when you reinstall windows. You can just install it over the top of the existing installation and have no problems. That way, whatever is in your documents folders is retained there as well.

Necorum 13th July, 2006 08:12 AM

true but would two partitions be better ?

meh im just going to move all my documents stuff to c:\

dsio 13th July, 2006 08:14 AM

Partitioning doesn't really change anything in your situation. Just means there are two places things can be, and possibly complications. There's the whole keep it simple principle that works well when dealing with windows.

Necorum 13th July, 2006 08:17 AM

true thanks

yea still going to move everything to c:\save this *****

then reinstall now i have to wait for this windows xp pro to finish downloading since i lost my os cd (my copy is legal i buoght it :P ) i had lost it and downloaded a copy of xp and it was dell's oem version i bought the windows xp pro one and hope this copy is plain ole xp pro

Necorum 13th July, 2006 08:23 AM

Dell oem copy is slower or something i read that somewhere

Necorum 13th July, 2006 03:17 PM

Decided to throw in a 10 gig hard drive and dual boot vista for now.... still havet tried it

Favu 13th July, 2006 03:18 PM

be warned - a few people have had issues with the dual booter of Vista not working

Necorum 13th July, 2006 04:38 PM

works fine

cloasters 18th July, 2006 05:49 PM

If you don't have a machine bought from Dell, you don't want to use their proprietary version of XP. If the box was made by Dell, a generic version of XP--that is, not supplied by Dell--will probably not work right.

Aedan 18th July, 2006 05:54 PM

I've not actually had any issues with generic XP running on Dell machines. HP/Compaq, yes, but not Dell.

Samuknow 18th July, 2006 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Áedán
I've not actually had any issues with generic XP running on Dell machines. HP/Compaq, yes, but not Dell.


I have noted the same on HP/Compaq machines. I actually had one that would not finish the install. Had one work great. It is a luck of the draw I guess with which hardware is used.

Necorum 19th July, 2006 11:18 AM

thanks for the advice just hard to find a copy of XP thats not Dell , Compaq or hp

Necorum 19th July, 2006 11:19 AM

without paying i already bought it just lost my cd.

Ex g/f thing ( kids mom )

Staz 19th July, 2006 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cloasters
If you don't have a machine bought from Dell, you don't want to use their proprietary version of XP. If the box was made by Dell, a generic version of XP--that is, not supplied by Dell--will probably not work right.

Absolutely not true. Dell is not that evil or specialized. You can install just about any OS on thier machines.

Daniel ~ 19th July, 2006 07:29 PM

Compaq may be the manufacturer Cloasters was thinking of, HP as well! But my information is way out of date!

Staz 19th July, 2006 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Áedán
I've not actually had any issues with generic XP running on Dell machines. HP/Compaq, yes, but not Dell.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samuknow
I have noted the same on HP/Compaq machines. I actually had one that would not finish the install. Had one work great. It is a luck of the draw I guess with which hardware is used.

I have never run into this. I have installed Xp, XP Pro, and Win98se on Compaq laptops, Compaq desktops, Dell desktops, IBM desktops, and IBM laptops. I have never run into this problem befor. Never done it on an HP though. Maybe they are the culprit

Daniel ~ 19th July, 2006 08:15 PM

My Information is WAY out of date, like 8 years":O}
Hadn't realized it had been that long!!

Necorum 20th July, 2006 02:05 AM

ok what i was saying is I have a custom build machine and using a copy of windows xp pro dell oem version on my custom machine i heard that the OS itself that is branded with dell all over it is a bit slower or something.

Staz 20th July, 2006 07:02 PM

It depends if you pay the extra $10 when you buy the computer. If you pay an extra $10 toen you will get an XP disk that is just plain od XP withoput and of the Dell added on crap. That comes on a second disk (ussually blue, but I have also seen them red).

If you do a complete repartition, reformat, reinstall then you will have a system without and of the factory installed Dell crap. If you don't pay the extra $10 you get a Dell restore disk that has the OS with all of the extra crap built right in. Some of those utilities will only work on a De3ll machine. So if you use that to install on a non Dell machine you may end up with an OS that may or may not install and if it does it will be slower than with a fresh install and it may have parts that don't work.


There are some CD'd that should go in the fire safe box with other important stuff you almost never need but don't ever want to use.

Daniel ~ 20th July, 2006 10:19 PM

Which is why corporations make such crappy governments, they answer not to people but to the bottom of the bottom line barrel...

Redroar 21st July, 2006 04:52 AM

Wait. What the hell is this doing in a windows topic? It's completely unrelated. I have no problem with what you are saying, but why not start a topic in Random?

Daniel ~ 21st July, 2006 05:00 AM

hmmm. their first post, looks like a new development in spam... any one seen this elsewhere?

Redroar 21st July, 2006 05:35 AM

Google "Post Amazon touts anti-Israeli views"

Looks like sheila is quite the spammer.

Daniel ~ 21st July, 2006 09:54 PM

sheila all better now! ":O}

xmetrix 22nd July, 2006 04:35 AM

War Corporatism, ensuring jobs for your kids kids. Soldiers.

Necorum 22nd July, 2006 01:34 PM

it was just a question and everyone turned it into a war argh *runs in a corner in hopes the bombs dodge him*

cloasters 22nd July, 2006 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Staz
Absolutely not true. Dell is not that evil or specialized. You can install just about any OS on thier machines.

I used too wide a brush. Compaq's have a real problem with generic XP, I shouldn't have made such a sweeping statement.

xmetrix 22nd July, 2006 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Necorum
it was just a question and everyone turned it into a war argh *runs in a corner in hopes the bombs dodge him*


*runs and hides at base of oil pumps* I'm safe here.

radcon56 30th July, 2006 04:06 PM

I run setup on any computer with an OEM version of windows and enter the key on the box or laptop with no problem, other than having to call it in once in a while. :banghead: As for a dell disk being slower, it's the same windows as any other, except that no activation is needed when used on a dell machine.:)

noob 1st August, 2006 05:29 AM

The main problem people have is trying to use the recovery disks on other machines. Dell, HP/Compaq, and several other companies have a partition on the HDD that contains several critical files, making sure the disk wont run elsewhere.

THe other problem came up with some of the proprietary hardware used by some OEM's. Dell doesn't anymore, HP/Compaq, Packard Bell, and a couple of others still do on some machines. Standard XP doesn't have the drivers required to run those machines, and they have problems with some of the MS generic drivers - hence the problems people have. The OEM HDD's that come with the machine include the basic drivers required by Windows on a seperate hidden partition, with which their "recovery disk" points to.

As for slower - that was also true to some extent (not sure if still true). Certain hardware options were turned on/off depending on the machine you bought. This was done through the OEM drivers, and when you upgraded the drivers, you had to choose the exact model, even though several models would use the same hardware.

They have caused all sorts of headaches when I was doing MS support. Especially when people tried using the XP upgrade version on their older HP/Compaq, Dell, Packard Bell, or similar.

As for activation. Thats a completly different kettle of foul smelling month old in the sun fish! Windows is pre activated by the OEM when you buy it. With OEM's they sometimes keep that data on the hidden partition, therefore no need to reactivate. But if you do something as small as adding another HDD they will quite often require reactivation

radcon56 6th August, 2006 05:58 PM

Huh??
 
You should do some more research. Nothing you have said makes any sense, noob.:confused:

Quote:

Originally Posted by noob
The main problem people have is trying to use the recovery disks on other machines. Dell, HP/Compaq, and several other companies have a partition on the HDD that contains several critical files, making sure the disk wont run elsewhere.

THe other problem came up with some of the proprietary hardware used by some OEM's. Dell doesn't anymore, HP/Compaq, Packard Bell, and a couple of others still do on some machines. Standard XP doesn't have the drivers required to run those machines, and they have problems with some of the MS generic drivers - hence the problems people have. The OEM HDD's that come with the machine include the basic drivers required by Windows on a seperate hidden partition, with which their "recovery disk" points to.

As for slower - that was also true to some extent (not sure if still true). Certain hardware options were turned on/off depending on the machine you bought. This was done through the OEM drivers, and when you upgraded the drivers, you had to choose the exact model, even though several models would use the same hardware.

They have caused all sorts of headaches when I was doing MS support. Especially when people tried using the XP upgrade version on their older HP/Compaq, Dell, Packard Bell, or similar.

As for activation. Thats a completly different kettle of foul smelling month old in the sun fish! Windows is pre activated by the OEM when you buy it. With OEM's they sometimes keep that data on the hidden partition, therefore no need to reactivate. But if you do something as small as adding another HDD they will quite often require reactivation


MONKEYMAN 6th August, 2006 06:05 PM

Makes perfect sense to me....

radcon56 6th August, 2006 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xmetrix
*runs and hides at base of oil pumps* I'm safe here.

Yeah, if you're an Arab.:rolleyes:

noob 6th August, 2006 10:07 PM

radcon56

what did you have problems understanding?

cloasters 7th August, 2006 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noob
radcon56

what did you have problems understanding?

I thought your's was a very sensible post, radcon56. You explained a good part of the Proprietary XP vs. off the shelf XP hassles you can run into. Mebbe noob had a bad day or summink?

MONKEYMAN 7th August, 2006 03:42 AM

I thought noob explained the problems?....anyhow you all made sense.

Redroar 7th August, 2006 04:52 AM

noob explained the problems, and radcon said he couldn't understand them. I think you mixed up the names, Cloasters.:)

Daniel ~ 7th August, 2006 04:01 PM

Hi radcon56. Tough day hey? ":O}

Perhaps if you asked noob to clarify what seems incorrect or unclear to you we could progress in our understanding?
Alternatively, perhaps if you advanced your views as an alternative approach rather than condemning Noob for advancing his solution?

Most of us are just hobbyists radcon56 here, you'll find many areas where we disagree or our personal judgement varies. This being so we need to keep relations friendly, especially when we are destine to disagree...yes? ":O}


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