POLL: Which anti-virus software do you use?

[Kaitain]

Originally Posted by dsio

Norton is the root of all evil. I make around $300/month de-nortoning computers that have had it fail after a corrupt update. If it didnt come with every other white box machine as a compulsury add-on with a 60 day trial, they wouldnt even be in bussiness.

Oddly, I've never had a problem with it - it "just works". That it came free with the laptop was a bonus, too...

OK, so that puts me into the minority - I shall ensure that it locks up and hoses my machine forthwith

[dsio]

Its your circumstances rather than your luck i think. Norton has some serious issues with updates. During a recent update (2 weeks before HL2 came out) many people had corrupted Norton installations. I dealt with 5 people with screwed computers over it. Interesting to note: they all updated on a dialup connection. When Norton fails during an update, it fails completely. You get error messages that cannot be exited, minimised, or pushed to the background and it cannot be solved without removing norton completely. In the reinstallation you lose all previous updates, you lose anything in the norton recycle bin, you lose anything in norton protected folders (including inbox folders) and you lose any temperary files that have been quarantined by Norton.

Some VERY scarey things have been lost.

Note: normal reinstalls remove the recycle bin and updates, however a failed update removes ALL norton related folders including the inbox.

several other people i have had call outs from were on broadband with fast machines and found norton was choking their machines to death. With most users not defragmenting their hard drive, and norton scratching the disk constantly, the machine grinds to a halt. The Email scanner is just as bad. Take those two parts out of norton and you have a virus scanner. Trend micro offer a free, effective, always up to date online scanner called housecall that i swear by.

Norton offers protection that has been proven ineffective many times over, at the cost of performance and runs the risk of deleting valued documents, i personally DEFINE that as a virus. LOL.

Also these people are heavy photoshop/office users, where as i imagine you spend alot more time on your Gentoo boxes than on the windows box (or at least i would).

Norton is a marketing juggernaut combined with a coding and deployment nightmare. On the other hand i made enough money 2 weeks before HL2 came out to buy a 6800GT and a winchester CPU and Mobo. Keep it up Norton

As long as the sheep keep getting 60 day subscriptions with their white box celerons and DELLs, i will never have a second rate gaming machine.

[Kaitain]

Originally Posted by dsio

As long as the sheep keep getting 60 day subscriptions with their white box celerons and DELLs, i will never have a second rate gaming machine.

Baaa

By "update", I presume you mean a full product update, e.g. Norton 2003 to Norton 2004 rather than simply a definitions update?

[danrok]

Norton used to fall over regularly for me, only a re-install would fix it. However, it hasn't fallen over or gone screwy in a long time on my own machine. I can't pin point the reason for that. I'm going to switch to something else anyhow, if only for the hell of it.

[chrisbard]

Hey, where is Bit Defender AV solution?? A few words about BD if you guys don't mind:

"BitDefender Professional was the third product of its kind in the world to receive ICSA certification for Windows XP and the first to be awarded for groundbreaking innovation by the European Commission and Academies. BitDefender™ Antivirus is certified by all the major reviewers in the antivirus field - ICSA Labs, CheckMark, CheckVir, TuV and Virus Bulletin.

BitDefender is headquartered in Bucharest, Romania and has offices in Tettnang, Germany, Barcelona, Spain and Boca Raton, US. "


http://www.bitdefender.com/index.php

[dsio]

Originally Posted by Kaitain

Baaa

By "update", I presume you mean a full product update, e.g. Norton 2003 to Norton 2004 rather than simply a definitions update?

Norton usually doesnt just do a definitions update, it usually makes changes to the program itself, to the update program etc. It was an update of definitions + program + updater that caused me to earn my kung fu machine.

And i think technically it doesnt matter if your a windows sheep as long as your a linux ninja. Personally im a windows sheep rustler and BSD sheep.

[dsio]

Originally Posted by chrisbard

Hey, where is Bit Defender AV solution?? A few words about BD if you guys don't mind:

"BitDefender Professional was the third product of its kind in the world to receive ICSA certification for Windows XP and the first to be awarded for groundbreaking innovation by the European Commission and Academies. BitDefender™ Antivirus is certified by all the major reviewers in the antivirus field - ICSA Labs, CheckMark, CheckVir, TuV and Virus Bulletin.

BitDefender is headquartered in Bucharest, Romania and has offices in Tettnang, Germany, Barcelona, Spain and Boca Raton, US. "


http://www.bitdefender.com/index.php

nobody knows these romanian people, but they have some how managed to run the world. They're kind of like russians, with money. :\

Only thing is i have never seen a romanian model. In the miss universe pagent, i thought miss romania was rather froggish. Miss australia was awesome

[Kaitain]

Originally Posted by dsio

And i think technically it doesnt matter if your a windows sheep as long as your a linux ninja. Personally im a windows sheep rustler and BSD sheep.

Really only a Linux yellow-belt, but thanks

[danrok]

Originally Posted by Kaitain

Really only a Linux yellow-belt, but thanks

You are too modest!

[dsio]

Originally Posted by Kaitain

Really only a Linux yellow-belt, but thanks

Says the dude with the engineering degree, two linux boxes that lives in china. Yea sure. and your avatar is Tux... how about a pop quiz?

what is this:

cfdisk /dev/hda && mkfs.xfs /dev/hda1 && mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/gentoo/ && chroot /mnt/gentoo/ && env-update && . /etc/profile && emerge sync && cd /usr/portage && scripts/bootsrap.sh && emerge system && emerge vim && vi /etc/fstab && emerge gentoo-dev-sources && cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig && make install modules_install && emerge gnome mozilla-firefox openoffice && emerge grub && cp /boot/grub/grub.conf.sample /boot/grub/grub.conf && vi /boot/grub/grub.conf && grub && init 6

And which runlevel is reboot:

[chrisbard]

Originally Posted by dsio

Says the dude with the engineering degree, two linux boxes that lives in china. Yea sure. and your avatar is Tux... how about a pop quiz?

what is this:

cfdisk /dev/hda && mkfs.xfs /dev/hda1 && mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/gentoo/ && chroot /mnt/gentoo/ && env-update && . /etc/profile && emerge sync && cd /usr/portage && scripts/bootsrap.sh && emerge system && emerge vim && vi /etc/fstab && emerge gentoo-dev-sources && cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig && make install modules_install && emerge gnome mozilla-firefox openoffice && emerge grub && cp /boot/grub/grub.conf.sample /boot/grub/grub.conf && vi /boot/grub/grub.conf && grub && init 6

And which runlevel is reboot:

ahem, and what else do you want to know mr. DeSireInputOutput ??? ....couldn't help it.....no offence intended

[Gizmo]

Originally Posted by dsio

Says the dude with the engineering degree, two linux boxes that lives in china. Yea sure. and your avatar is Tux... how about a pop quiz?

what is this:

cfdisk /dev/hda && mkfs.xfs /dev/hda1 && mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/gentoo/ && chroot /mnt/gentoo/ && env-update && . /etc/profile && emerge sync && cd /usr/portage && scripts/bootsrap.sh && emerge system && emerge vim && vi /etc/fstab && emerge gentoo-dev-sources && cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig && make install modules_install && emerge gnome mozilla-firefox openoffice && emerge grub && cp /boot/grub/grub.conf.sample /boot/grub/grub.conf && vi /boot/grub/grub.conf && grub && init 6

And which runlevel is reboot:

I'm just a linux white-belt, but I'll take a stab at this:

Looks to me like you are bootstrapping a Gentoo system.

First, you are partitioning the first drive in the system, then you are formating it to use the XFS file system and mounting it at /mnt/gentoo. Then you change the root of your installation to /mnt/gentoo, change your environment and load your new system profile, so that you are fully in your new environment. After that, you make sure you have the latest portage catalog, and pull down all the files needed to build your customized Gentoo kernel, VIM, the various modules that you are going to load, Gnome, FireFox, and OpenOffice. Don't forget to get your boot loader (grub). Then you configure grub, write the bootstrap to disk and reset the system to boot into your new kernel.

Runlevel 6 is Reboot.

How's that?

[kellamne]

Got CA-ETrust EZ AntiVirus at the moment; got it for free - replacing my Norton.
Cant really say its bad - because i didnt pay for it, and not had any issues that I have noticed yet.

[benighted]

linux is great but memorizing commands isn't my specialty. I can remember back in the windows 3.1 days I would forget the command to run windows (win)

[dsio]

Originally Posted by gizmo

I'm just a linux white-belt, but I'll take a stab at this:

Looks to me like you are bootstrapping a Gentoo system.

First, you are partitioning the first drive in the system, then you are formating it to use the XFS file system and mounting it at /mnt/gentoo. Then you change the root of your installation to /mnt/gentoo, change your environment and load your new system profile, so that you are fully in your new environment. After that, you make sure you have the latest portage catalog, and pull down all the files needed to build your customized Gentoo kernel, VIM, the various modules that you are going to load, Gnome, FireFox, and OpenOffice. Don't forget to get your boot loader (grub). Then you configure grub, write the bootstrap to disk and reset the system to boot into your new kernel.

Runlevel 6 is Reboot
How's that?

Ill pay that
white belt... liar :P

[Gizmo]

LOL, the only reason I was able to sus that out is because I just built my own Gentoo system a couple months ago (there's a thread in the Linux forum about it).

[Kaitain]

Originally Posted by dsio

Says the dude with the engineering degree, two linux boxes that lives in china. Yea sure. and your avatar is Tux... how about a pop quiz?

Thankfully I'll be back in Western Europe soon enough... I like my creature comforts too much to consider China a home.

As regards the question, Gizmo's pretty much right - you've got an incomplete boot strap there, and runlevel 6 is used for reboot. Runlevel 0 is used for shutdown. Those are the only two levels that are determined - levels 1 through 5 can be customised and/or absent. Gentoo doesn't use a standard sysvinit.

[IceRaptor]

Mcaffe Suite 2005... simply because my computer gets around 60 hacking attempts a day...

Macffe lets u trace thr hacker-completely ..

But at times it jus stops working and i have to verify it.... wierd

[Aedan]

Originally Posted by dsio

Norton usually doesnt just do a definitions update, it usually makes changes to the program itself, to the update program etc.

Symantec AV (which is the corporate version of Norton) is a bit of a different beast - there's no update of the programs done over the liveupdate. Only definitions are updated. That, and the centralised control system means that AV updates can be easily rolled out from a central location, rather than having to visit each machine.

How do I know? I'm running the corporate version.

[Aedan]

Originally Posted by IceRaptor

Macffe lets u trace thr hacker-completely ..

It tracks the machine that appeared to launch the attack. That's not necessarily the same thing as tracing the hacker, as a lot of scans are totally automated. Additionally, it's quite possible to spoof the address of some of the scans without too much effort.