EP-8DRA Why Is The CPU Sitting SO Far Off Center.

[EluSiOn]

CoolByWater,

You are not the only one... Toast Comp also has the same problem

[Toasted Comp]

Originally posted by CooledByWater
The mods can do whatever they want with this thread. If they want to take it down they can. I asked for an exchange on a new unused 8DRA+ and have my fingers crossed. I was real close to getting a different board. With many reporting they did not see the problem led me to think somehow, someway this was a screwed up mobo. I checked and double check, mounted and remounted and came up with the same conclusion that the DIE was off centered to the four mounting holes.

Hey my mounting holes are a little off to but it don't effect my motherboards preformance and temps so don't worry about it.

I am using a Swiftech MCW462-UH and am at 31C @ 200FSB and @ 2.2V :-D

[Daniel ~]

Originally posted by nikhsub1

If you can show that ACTUAL rather than theoretical cooling is effected I'm sure EPoX will be interested. The only way I know to do this is to try it.

I've edited my post to read:

"There is no difference that doesn't make a difference" If you can show that ACTUAL rather than theoretical cooling is effected I'm sure EPoX will be interested. The only way I know to do this is to try it.

Hope this helps":O}

[Daniel ~]

Originally posted by CooledByWater
The bottomline is very simple to understand. AMD has strict guidelines that need to be followed by all.

I would have thought that weather or not it cools properly would be the bottom line. ":O}

[Daniel ~]

Guys I've had to del 3 or 4 posts as they violate the rules for this Topic, Please READ the announcement at the start of Our EPoX topic.

CooledByWater, you seem to have a legitimate complaint, this IS indeed the place to bring such. My only reservation is weather or not this would actually effect your cooling, if it did, even by a single degree I think you would be justified in returning the board.

[EluSiOn]

I knew there are posts going to be deleted....

[Holst]

I think this is part of the AMD spec.

I think Billa mentioned it in an article on his heat die on overclocers.com.

Im sure somebody with a ruler and a look on AMD's site can work it out.

My waterblock mounts and runs great.

[Holst]

To be perfectly honest im amazed you you "so called" watercoolers havent read this allready.

you sure do like to kick up a fuss over nothing.

Quote from Bill Adams from http://www.overclockers.com/articles654/index03.asp

All wbs are mounted using studs having the 4 motherboard mounting hole spacing, with an adaptor plate if necessary. It should be noted that the heat die is off-center with respect to the mounting holes - this is as AMD describes it. Upon receipt, a wb is measured and the centerline of the CPU's location is marked and aligned with the heat die during installation.

Im sure one of you can pull the relavent AMD document to confirm this.

[Áedán]

Originally posted by Holst
I think this is part of the AMD spec.

<snip> a look on AMD's site can work it out.<snip>

Yup, I checked that AMD thermal, mechanical and chassis cooling design guide. The holes are not even optional. They are not there, end of story. Hence, any manufacturer who puts them on a new board is not following AMD's spec.

Please don't jump up and down and complain that the holes are not to the spec. The holes are against the spec.

The area where the holes were, is designated as a height restricted area, with a maximum height of 3.81mm.

Áedán

[wild_andy_c]

Originally posted by CooledByWater
AMD has left it up to the mobo manufactures if they want to place the holes in the board, but that does not mean just place the damm hole's anywhere.

Again, “This is why bolt pattern on P/S are all the same, the width of CD drives are the same, AGP slots are the same, mobo mounting holes are the same, ram sockets are the same, and I could go on and on. Guidelines have to be followed or we all would have many components that do not fit&quot;

I would never own an Abit mainly for this reason. That board is very limited in the cooling devices that can be used. Given the fact that the socket lugs are going to have to be used, and by the size of some of the heat sinks being used the user may have a broken socket.

Given your outsatnding take on this you should start making mainboards - of course we know they would be so excellent.

[EPoX Tech]

Originally posted by Daniel ~
Guys I've had to del 3 or 4 posts as they violate the rules for this Topic, Please READ the announcement at the start of Our EPoX topic.

CooledByWater, you seem to have a legitimate complaint, this IS indeed the place to bring such. My only reservation is weather or not this would actually effect your cooling, if it did, even by a single degree I think you would be justified in returning the board.

This complaint is not seen to be legitimate. There does not need to be holes on the board, if they are there or not in this instance is in violation of no white paper.

[SPQQKY]

Guys I've had to del 3 or 4 posts as they violate the rules for this Topic, Please READ the announcement at the start of Our EPoX topic.

LOL, one of my posts was deleted and the pictures removed, yet according to the rules, I broke none. I have always backed up EPoX on their product thinking too many people jump to conclusions, as we see here, someone returned the mainboard before he even fired it up.....to me, that is rediculous.

[Daniel ~]

Originally posted by EPoX Tech


This complaint is not seen to be legitimate. There does not need to be holes on the board, if they are there or not in this instance is in violation of no white paper.

My comments were based upon a false premise, that there WAS a white paper and a speck that was not adhered to. So sue me!
"Screw you guys I'm going home!"(Cartman from Southpark) ":O}

[Holst]

The current white paper ccalls for no holes at all, so were doing you guys (and me) a favor by still including the holes.

But the previous (now defunct) white paper DID include the ofset on the holes positioning, as Bill Adams noted in his article.

On both counts I dont see reason to complain, if anythimng you should thank us :P

If you want to post up a pic Spook go ahead...
I think this is one of those cases where he (Dan) was left to handle the situation alone as us europeans were in bed, letting you excitable yanks casue a rucuss all alone.

[EPoX Tech]

Originally posted by Daniel ~
My comments were based upon a false premise, that there WAS a white paper and a speck that was not adhered to. So sue me!
&quot;Screw you guys I'm going home!&quot;(Cartman from Southpark) &quot;:O}

Even my buds can get my scowls!!

[Daniel ~]

And don't we just know it! LOL

[Daniel ~]

Originally posted by SPQQKY


LOL, one of my posts was deleted and the pictures removed, yet according to the rules, I broke none. I have always backed up EPoX on their product thinking too many people jump to conclusions, as we see here, someone returned the mainboard before he even fired it up.....to me, that is rediculous.

Sorry SPQQKY, your contributions to this forum are well known and appreciated. Your post did support EPoX, but by way of a comparison to another board maker.

From our Announcement at the top of the EPoX Topic:

Special rules that must be respected in our EPoX Topic! (November-18-2002 until December-19-2010)

" Further, as our EPoX techs cannot give answer to comparisons involving other board manufacture's products, mention of mother boards not made by EPoX is not permitted."

If I permit favorable comparisons I must permit unfavorable ones as well.

[SPQQKY]

I see, I thought I read through the rules thoroughly, I thought you were referring to me soliciting other manufacturers, which I would never do. My apologies, EPoX forever. LOL

[Daniel ~]

Originally posted by Holst
The current white paper ccalls for no holes at all, so were doing you guys (and me) a favor by still including the holes.

But the previous (now defunct) white paper DID include the ofset on the holes positioning, as Bill Adams noted in his article.

On both counts I dont see reason to complain, if anythimng you should thank us :P

If you want to post up a pic Spook go ahead...
I think this is one of those cases where he (Dan) was left to handle the situation alone as us europeans were in bed, letting you excitable yanks casue a rucuss all alone.

Sorry Holst no can do, if I let you open that can of worms I'll be devored by noon. It was a picture of an **** Motherboard, Not and EPoX.