Just got my 8K3A ---------IT ROCKS !

the nice suprise was the Axp Diod reading

I think it´s worlds apart from 8kha+ (in my opinion is more like a dragster)

with bios 3/12 is as fast as 8kha+ with the new bios


And in my opinion it´the best AThlon motherboard yet !!!!


CONGRATULATIONS EPOX



Epox tech ,

will the board shutdown if it is booted accidently without a cooler?

[The Spyder]

I love mine too- a great board= what type of ram are you using on it? And yes the board should shut down-
Spyder

[kendan]

What revision did you get? I didn't know they had the ability to read the XP diode. Where is the reading? (bios or a program).

[EPoX Tech]

Originally posted by skatan





Epox tech ,

will the board shutdown if it is booted accidently without a cooler?

If the board has temperature shutdown set yes. But I'm quite sure that you will still burn out the processor if the cooler is not attached at all - Athlons and Durons warm up very very fast indeed.

You wouldn't leave the HS off would you ? :-D

spyder

crucial 2100 cas 2.5



kendan

It´s a 8k3a (non raid) rev 1.1 6channel , the other 8k3a+ rev 1.2 6 channel supports it too



Epox_tech

I´m not feeling that lucky , so ill let someone else test that


By the way I just found a little problem with it
if I manualy change the memory drive strenght , it doesn´t change because i checked with wpcredit AND I REALY NEED TO CHANGE IT because the default setting is WRONG

I want the same default memory drive setting as 8kha+
(the latest bios made it Great , congrats Epox on that)

http://www.ultimate.pt/~ul0069/wrong.gif

Im a wpcredit freak and I tested this mem drive strenght config on my old 8kha+ , and was a NO GO for me at 166 2/2/2/6 4w 8/4 1t , it gave me more instability (prime 95 NO GO) and no performance increase at all , AND the new bios are slowwwww

im a bit sad about this since the new bios have lower memory bandwith to solve memory compatability problems (maybe cused by that memory drive strenght setting?)

And people in foruns are complaining a bit about the lower mem bandwidth of 8k3a , 2312 bios makes it fast but that setting makes it unstable

I wouldn´t even mencion it but when i change the setting with wpcredit I get a big BLUE SCREEEN (bsOd)

[kendan]

I have the 1.2 8K3A+ with raid. Does it support the reading of the internal diode and Where would I read it?

[nikhsub1]

Originally posted by skatan



the nice suprise was the Axp Diod reading

Uh, no epox reads the internal diode. Here is a quote from EpoX Tech at amdmb.com:

"I've answered this numerous times before. No past or current boards support the thermal diode of the AMD processor. I have not been made aware of any future planned models either, but plans may and many times do change. This is all I will comment on this subject."

Originally posted by nikhsub1


Uh, no epox reads the internal diode. Here is a quote from EpoX Tech at amdmb.com:

"I've answered this numerous times before. No past or current boards support the thermal diode of the AMD processor. I have not been made aware of any future planned models either, but plans may and many times do change. This is all I will comment on this subject."

macci installed a 8kta3+ 1.2 just to see what i was talking abou

heres a quote from im

"Just installed the 8k3a+ rev. 1.2 and chekcing the MBM CPU temp readings as we speak

And I can identify an internal sensor when I see one
Temps jumpin from 46 to 49 in one second.. don't see that kind of variations w/ external sensors.. Hell the sensor is "Winbond 2 P2 Diode". For me that's an internal sensor and I don't really care what epox tech says about this matter
If I set MBM to read the sensor as an external sensor ("winbond 2") I get temp readings of 90C or so"

[kendan]

I can't get Winbond2 to read at all. I would like to know if it is truly reading the internal because why would there be an external one there if I can not read it.

[EPoX Tech]

This is measured also from Winbond 2 P2 Diode. It is the thermisistor in the socket of the mainboard .

This is not the in-chip diode as my colleague from EPoX USA at AMDmb states, no matter what anyone else says that matters or not

[nikhsub1]

Originally posted by EPoX Tech
This is measured also from Winbond 2 P2 Diode. It is the thermisistor in the socket of the mainboard .

This is not the in-chip diode as my colleague from EPoX USA at AMDmb states, no matter what anyone else says that matters or not

Thanks EpoX Tech, People are just DYING to believe this board reads the on die sensor. My temp using P2 diode jumps too, I think it is touching the bottom of the chip. I have a CompuNurse touching the side of the core, Load temps are off by 10C, (CompuNurse reads 40C running P95/1 Hour) and Idle is off by 4-5C.

[kendan]

Originally posted by EPoX Tech
This is measured also from Winbond 2 P2 Diode. It is the thermisistor in the socket of the mainboard .

This is not the in-chip diode as my colleague from EPoX USA at AMDmb states, no matter what anyone else says that matters or not

Thanks for the reply Epox Tech!!!!!

[EPoX Tech]

I often say to people - no matter how much you wish for things to be true - it does not make them true, patience is a virtue.

You can bet many people will still pain over this for quite some time - just because they wish for it to be there they perhaps think that debating it will make it true !!

When there is on die temperature sensing - be sure that we will let you know in advance.

epox_tech youre taking it the wrong way

when I bought the mobo i bought it knowing it couldn´t read the AXP internal diod , but when I checked , it sure as hell seems like it can read the internal diod



that sure is one hell of an external sensor


check video of sensor in action

1mb

Originally posted by EPoX Tech
You can bet many people will still pain over this for quite some time - just because they wish for it to be there they perhaps think that debating it will make it true !!

the only pain im getting is not being able to run fsb 166 as fast as i did on the 8kha+

it sure is a pain waiting for a fast and stable bios , right now its a slow and stable bios

i had to change to bios 23/28 (SLOW) because prime95 would go yealow on me


bios 23/12 fast and unstable

it took them a while on 8kha+ but they finaly managed , so I guess ill have to wait ...

[The Spyder]

ummmm. ok- I have revison 1.2- and i downloaded a program on aoafiles.com that lets me read the internal sensor- i think.... Im at 41c right now........ its made by epox apparently-
Spyder

[EPoX Tech]

USDM as with many monitoring programs can read boith die probes and thermistors.

[bldegle2]

This experience I am having with the 8k3a+ is bizare.

The first time around, my temps were reading like 90 to 99*c when I would use readouts. My CPU temps via the bios was very high also, 55*c and higher, when previously 40*c would be considered cooking in my box (I use a lot of air, lots).

Board was stable when first got it, it would clock to 150FSB, then troubles, high temp readings, no matter what proggie I used, just confusing and baffling me to no end.

Did one more install (one of many)of XP Pro Corporate and this time around everything is in order, the temps are down, FSB is up to 144, my vre is set to 1.9 (down from, err, a bit higher), dimm voltage 2.8 (down also, err, a bit higher), temps now read around 27*c+/-, depending usage. I am using Vcool to keep temps down when idling and doing regular stuff(works very nicely).

Why o why is this board now 'working' and reporting temps properly? My previous board, the 8kha+ was a model of consistancy and I used the setting that worked best for that board on this new one. I was seriously considering going back, but I wanted the new dividers for the eventual unlockage and at least the 166 FSB.

Basically, the only thing I changed in the bios this time around was the CAS latency (and the aforementioned voltages), changed it back to 2?????? Now I am more confused than ever.

Any input to these wild readings would be appreciated. I did not remove the CPU and check the thermister, I have read that sometimes it sticks up a bit much and needs to be laid over a bit to work right.

Off to work, will leave her running for the day stressing.

Thanks in advance.

baldy

the only problem that I have with this 8k3a is performace wise

the fastest bios 2312 which doesn´t even makes it faster than the current 8kha+ bios is an example of instability


and all the other bios are an example of poor performance and im not baseing only on sis sandra



with bios 2312 at fsb 190 2.5/3/3/6 4way 8/4 1t

the sandra score is alu 2878
fpu 26**

and all others are just about the same as this

alu 2535
fpu 2295

which are ridiculous

[Harryc]

Originally posted by EPoX Tech
This is measured also from Winbond 2 P2 Diode. It is the thermisistor in the socket of the mainboard .

E.T., here's a thought. I did notice when I installed my 1800+ in a 8K3A that the diode in the socket was close to the board. There was no way I could bend it up enough to touch the CPU. I verified this visually and just left it alone in it's factory position. My temps are what I would consider normal for an 1800+ running a Swiftech 462/Delta combo. 36*c idle, 44*c load. Is it possible that some folks are bending it up and throwing the calibration off?. Can you verify with your engineers if this diode needs to be touched at all, and if so what is its correct orientation/position/clearances. I am guessing it should not be touched, or else the manual would direct the user to bend it up. I could find no reference to doing this in the manual. Thank-you.