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Dom 11th October, 2001 01:28 PM

divider at 167?
 
Is there a divider kicking in at 167Mhz FSB on 8K7A+?

EPoX Tech 11th October, 2001 03:33 PM

Please refer to the technical documentation for the clock generator on the board - the ICS 94225AF.

This will show the AGP and PCI frequencies for the chosen FSB frequencies.

sonny 11th October, 2001 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by EPoX Tech
Please refer to the technical documentation for the clock generator on the board - the ICS 94225AF.

This will show the AGP and PCI frequencies for the chosen FSB frequencies.

Dude!!! How about a yes or no answer?

dimmreaper 11th October, 2001 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by sonny


Dude!!! How about a yes or no answer?

I think our most wonderful EPoX Rep, is thinking along the "give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a life time" lines here. And how can that be a bad thing? Remember that our EPoX Rep is here out of the kindness of his heart (assuming he is a he and not a she), and might not have time to look up every single answer. Often it is more than enough for him to point us in the right dirrection, no?

Dom 11th October, 2001 08:04 PM

Where is this technical documentation located at?

dimmreaper 11th October, 2001 08:21 PM

http://www.icst.com/

proze 11th October, 2001 10:24 PM

there's no datasheet for that chip on the sight you posted jeff. it mentions a 94225 in some .pdf, but nowt about the 94225AF, and no datasheet for anything with that part number.

dimmreaper 11th October, 2001 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by proze
there's no datasheet for that chip on the sight you posted jeff. it mentions a 94225 in some .pdf, but nowt about the 94225AF, and no datasheet for anything with that part number.
Hmmm, it appears you are correct. There has to be a spec sheet for it somewere though, otherwise EPoX wouldn't have known how to implement it :eek:

Dom 11th October, 2001 10:50 PM

For that 94225 all it says is freq 133Mhz. I really don't see the connection. I see that only Asus and Chaintech and Epox use this clock generator. I was trying to compare the dividers between the 3, but they're all different. Also different BIOSs that I've used in my mobo gave me different maximum FSBs so if a BIOS can change the dividers then there is no technical data that will show that. Some people got upto 190Mhz FSB so there must be another divider, but Epox itself hasn't confirmed that. I'm just looking for a simple answer on where the dividers occur and what they are. I know of people who have email Epox about that and they denied that divider at 167. I though maybe you know since you're behind the scenes. I'm a big fan of that mobo and give alot of praise about it on all the message board. People ask me questions about it. My inability to answer doesn't help their buying decisions.

sonny 11th October, 2001 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by dimmreaper
I think our most wonderful EPoX Rep, is thinking along the "give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a life time" lines here. And how can that be a bad thing? Remember that our EPoX Rep is here out of the kindness of his heart (assuming he is a he and not a she), and might not have time to look up every single answer. Often it is more than enough for him to point us in the right dirrection, no?
Hmm... I've just been reading a bunch of his replys & I get the feeling of a PR department. It's just me I guess but I always wanted a direct answer when it came to forums. Everyone wants to learn but for a guy new to computers a spec sheet aint that easy to pick up. He still has to teach me how to fish & not just throw me the pole.

dimmreaper 11th October, 2001 11:04 PM

From what I'm reading, the 9422X family PLLs are for DDR motherboards. My guess is that the 94225 is very similar to 94227, 94228, and 94229 . . . . only question is what the differences are . . . . .

dimmreaper 11th October, 2001 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by sonny
I've just been reading a bunch of his replys & I get the feeling of a PR department.
As a staff member, let me assure you that nothing could be further from the truth . . . .

sonny 11th October, 2001 11:09 PM

Well I think I just caught a fish or maybe not

Dom 12th October, 2001 04:14 AM

There is no detailed description for that one like there are for others.

Daniel ~ 12th October, 2001 04:34 AM

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Originally posted by sonny


Hmm... I've just been reading a bunch of his replys & I get the feeling of a PR department. It's just me I guess but I always wanted a direct answer when it came to forums. Everyone wants to learn but for a guy new to computers a spec sheet aint that easy to pick up. He still has to teach me how to fish & not just throw me the pole.

Hello Sonny. Please bear the following in mind. These forums are a very small part of his/her job. The time allowed is limited.

You have my assurance he/she is on the Tech/engineering side of things.

You are the first to be less than satisfied with the answers he/she has given.

"You can't always get what you want, but if you try real hard, sometimes, you get what you need."

Try re-asking your question, explaining your difficulty in finding your answer. Bearing in mind that you are asking a favor of someone.

I don't offer this as a criticism, but as one who has had to ask many favors to get this site up. One of them was for EPox to be here at all.

EPoX Tech 12th October, 2001 05:54 AM

I'm back again to see a barrage of dis-trust it would seem.

As Jeff (dimmreaper) quite rightly points out, the 94225 is from the same family of PLL's as the 94228 for example used on 8KHA+.

As is pointed out by the Forums Owner, Daniel - I do only have so much time and as such sometimes if you need a drink all I can do is lead you to the water.

To cap - I don't offer my help in here to be barracked or harrassed, where I see this I will ignore the thread and move onto the next. This may be un-beneficial to other users in need of help who may have started the thread.

Lionfish 12th October, 2001 07:25 AM

Even though I do not own a EPoX mobo I and I think I can speak for most members think it is GREAT the Tech guy is here to help.

Mr Tech Guy don't listen to harassing peeps.

As you see/and will, most of use really appreciate your help.

sonny 12th October, 2001 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by Daniel ~


Hello Sonny. Please bear the following in mind. These forums are a very small part of his/her job. The time allowed is limited.

You have my assurance he/she is on the Tech/engineering side of things.

You are the first to be less than satisfied with the answers he/she has given.

"You can't always get what you want, but if you try real hard, sometimes, you get what you need."

Try re-asking your question, explaining your difficulty in finding your answer. Bearing in mind that you are asking a favor of someone.

I don't offer this as a criticism, but as one who has had to ask many favors to get this site up. One of them was for EPox to be here at all.

I would like to apologize if I sounded out of line. I'm not here to harass anyone. I just wanted a direct answer because I do not understand the spec sheet.

Daniel ~ Pls. be assured that I have no intention of abusing the kindness in the forums.

Daniel ~ 12th October, 2001 09:59 AM

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Originally posted by sonny


I would like to apologize if I sounded out of line. I'm not here to harass anyone. I just wanted a direct answer because I do not understand the spec sheet.

Daniel ~ Pls. be assured that I have no intention of abusing the kindness in the forums.

Understood Sonny. You have a problem and very much would like an answer. The EPoX Tech has a full day in the work a day world and would very much like to be appreciated if he's going to extend that day into these forums.

As Dimmreaper pointed out there has to be a spec somewhere that covers this. Somewhere in that mass of numbers and spec's is your answer. Is it worth looking for?

Perhaps not, in and of itself. But if you do, I can promise you that you will find at lest three things you didn't know. At lest one thing none of us know.

I'm going to be honest, this is the make or break point for most Overclockers. In the beginning NO ONE wants to "Waste time" digging thought the specs.

But if you can slow your mind and gently pour over the stats a picture slowly emerges, understanding clears, success falls in your lap.

BTW, Please, no one throw rotten fruit, but did you check your users Manuel? LOL

EPoX Tech 12th October, 2001 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by Daniel ~
BTW, Please, no one throw rotten fruit, but did you check your users Manual? LOL
I know that the question here was of a very high overclocking ethic, but sometimes that is often the response that is given to some of those folks out there that don't read the manual.

It may sometimes sound condescending, but I bet you theres information in those manuals of ours that would teach some of the best overclockers out there a thing or two...... just because they haven't read them before.

Regarding this thing about 1/5 PCI divider. I don't expect many people to acheive this without performing a VIO mod on the motherboard anyway due to the fact that to acheive an FSB of greater than about 165MHz FSB, more than 3.3v I/O voltage is required.

Now I will set a challenge - who can make a VIO mod and publish for the 8KHA and 8KHA + ?

This once again as stated by Daniel will mean reading through specs and so on, but will also help folks to learn for themselves as they go along. It may also help people with their understanding of the electronics of a mainboard.

If no-body works it out I will place a modification guide in here myself, but only if and when I feel that you have all exceeded all of the possibilities.

I'll start a new topic entitled "8KHA VIO Mod" for any ideas to be placed in.


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