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Old 15th December, 2005, 01:55 PM
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Are Video Games Bad For You?

It's one of the questions of our time: Does playing violent games cause gamers to be violent? The Moral Majority would have you think so. However, M.I.T. Director of Comparative Studies Harry Jenkins seems to think otherwise, and has the facts to back up his opinion. As is always the case with articles like this,you should take what he says with a grain of salt; as the saying goes "There's lies, damned lies, and statistics" and both sides of this debate have managed to twist the numbers in all kinds of ways. But his essay "Reality Bytes: Eight Myths About Video Games Debunked" is an interesting read.

So, what do you think? Are violent video games really the scourge of our time? Are we programming our youths to be anti-social through video games? Or Is it just a harmless form of entertainment? Tell us!

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Old 15th December, 2005, 03:29 PM
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I haven't read the article yet but iv'e been exposed to video games and voilent movies since i was 6(many many MANY! of them infact) and now i am almost 20 and haven't purposely phsyically harmed another person since what sixth grade maybe.

I mostly keep to myself and am pretty quiet except perhaps among friends but still i don't go overboard.

If violent video games and or movies were the source of the problem then wouldn't a very large majority be affected? if a small part is in some way affected well what can be done about it? and really i think some/many are using it as an excuse to get away with crap they wouldn't otherwise or to blame someone else for their problems.
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Old 15th December, 2005, 06:29 PM
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Show me a person who says violent video games make children violent and I'll show you a bad parent.
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It's rather interesting to me that they oppose war games, but not War itself, not even wars of aggression. Personally, I'd prefer the reverse....everybody goes home!

Now I should probably go read Gizmo's link...Hey I try to be fair! ":O}
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Just because I beat the crap out of Toro today at CS S and shot accidentaly some of my mates doesn't make me bad huh? OK maybe I exagerated a little but ask Toro what is his version and you'll see I told you the truth ! Don't lay lad !
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Old 15th December, 2005, 09:48 PM
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no they do however (in my experience) do alot of damage if a young kid plays a game I have a friend and his brother who is six they both now think voivlances solves anything the thing with them is they are so weak they can't do anything about it but then again my frind bing older then me (he's in 9th) and still not reciving a hug from a girl(no he is not gay) cold make him classfied as a exception. The problem with him is he talkes things like GTA with hookers as how your really supposed to act which is probly why.
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Old 15th December, 2005, 09:52 PM
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"Because games are used to train soldiers to kill, they have the same impact on the kids who play them."
I like that one most, A soldier will be shooting real people when will I? games are as damging as Rock and Roll. Personly I've had people b*** after a soccer game never once after the hundreds of paintball games I played doesn't that make you wonder?

The only problem is some gammers are to busy at playing(or at work) to vote which can cause a problem.
EDIT: anyway I feel extremly bad if I have to kill an fellow troop even AI in a game, In quake 4(demo) when a monster ran through a guy I just saved I restarted the level so I could save him. I even have some trouble playing MEC agains U.S. in BF2.
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Old 15th December, 2005, 09:59 PM
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I don't think video games really cause a direct physcological problem, but I do witness every day a social impact on my little brother. My little brother is 8 years old and thinks the world of me. I'm 14, I've built a couple computers, and I play a variety of games and use my computer in my free time at home, which is a lot, most of my time spent at home is on the computer. That started when I was about 12, in 7th grade. Recently, after entering high school, I've slowed down on the computer front and have had a lot more fun socially going out and having a wonderful girl friend. Thing is, my brother and I obviously aren't the same age and don't do the same social activities, so at 8 years old he spends all most all his time on the computer. This really makes a dent in my heart, I remeber when I was his age I'd always be outside enjoying the weather, riding my bike, or some other physical activity. I think games now really have a draw to kids and we're probably going to see more kids spending more time indoors, playing video games, maybe developing an intraversal personality, but maybe not, although now it's going to be a lot more likely.
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ll find he'll get married(probly not) befoire you my cousin said the same thing about his younger brother and qguess who got a kiss first....
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To be honest, I think that computer/video games can be both helpful and harmful, depending on the context. Once people get to the point where they are obsessive about a game (Take a look at some of the MMORPGs for example), then games are harmful. In the same way, if someone fills as much of their time with games as possible, then it's harmful.

There is no black and white as to games being good or bad. They're games, nothing more. It's down to people to make a choice in their hearts as to how they will deal with things.
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I would have put it in a harsher way but i completely agree with Aedan.
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Put lightly I'm well beyond a kiss...
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To be honest, I think that computer/video games can be both helpful and harmful, depending on the context. Once people get to the point where they are obsessive about a game (Take a look at some of the MMORPGs for example), then games are harmful. In the same way, if someone fills as much of their time with games as possible, then it's harmful.

There is no black and white as to games being good or bad. They're games, nothing more. It's down to people to make a choice in their hearts as to how they will deal with things.

so when you start dreaming you are in the game, thats bad right?

I have been playing too much CS recently... but then I do balance it up with plenty of social interaction (off line as it were), and I dont have much money, and its the cheapest form of entertainment
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For those who have not read the article:

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3. Children are the primary market for video games.
While most American kids do play video games, the center of the video game market has shifted older as the first generation of gamers continues to play into adulthood. Already 62 percent of the console market and 66 percent of the PC market is age 18 or older. The game industry caters to adult tastes. Meanwhile, a sizable number of parents ignore game ratings because they assume that games are for kids. One quarter of children ages 11 to 16 identify an M-Rated (Mature Content) game as among their favorites. Clearly, more should be done to restrict advertising and marketing that targets young consumers with mature content, and to educate parents about the media choices they are facing. But parents need to share some of the responsibility for making decisions about what is appropriate for their children. The news on this front is not all bad. The Federal Trade Commission has found that 83 percent of game purchases for underage consumers are made by parents or by parents and children together.
Amen to that!

I would have to say that the absolutely most fun shooter of all time that I have ever played was "Postal 2". This was a game that was rated "M 18+" and people were knocking it because of the bad influence that it was on "our kids". Now I have no idea who these people were that were knocking it or how thier kids were getting it. Most likely the parents were buying it for thier kids because the kids asked for it and they had no idea what it was and ignored the rating. Then they saw what it was or read something about it and became enraged. However this game just like 18+ rated publications was deffinately not meant for kids.

Would it be reasonible to buy your child a Harold Robins book because he asked for it and books are suposed to be educational and then become outraged when you heard (or more doubtfully read for themselves) that it contains graphic sex sences?

Hell, let's just buy our kids Hustler and then conplaain that there are pictures of naked people having sex in there.
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I love Postal 2 - Krotchy is the Big Cahoonas lol.
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Well, thanks a freaking lot, Staz. Now I'm gonna have to check out Harold Robins on Amazon when I get home.
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I highly recomend "The Adventurer's". It is about a boy that becomes involved in the revolution of a fictional South American country. He grows to become a consul for the country and mixes with the rich famous and powerful.

But I wouldn't want to sugest that people that play violent video games also read on a regular basis for the sole purpose of recreation. That would blow thier stereo typing all to hell.
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....Hell, let's just buy our kids Hustler and then conplaain that there are pictures of naked people having sex in there.
I think that explains it all. Our older kids (9.5 & 11) have been trained to look at ratings. PG is good, PG-13 is negotiable based on subject matter, and R is a no no.... They self police to a large extent. A couple of years ago, my son started applying this to games all by himself. He learned the rating system, I still don't know... and has been actively discussing with me. If he likes a game based on others' interest, but it turns out to be M for example... He will come to me dishearted because he knows he shouldn't play.

This is a rare case of an industry actually being responsible and "self" rating itself. However, to all the moron consumers in this country that is not good enough. If they had their way, they would outlaw all but the most childish of games... In lieu of that, they would make adult games like porn, and only available in restrictive stores like a porn shop or something similar... Hey, while we're at it, let's make Victoria's Secret leave all the malls since they openly display lingerie.

EDIT: the real outcry is "Protect me from my own ignorance!"
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Show me a person who says violent video games make children violent and I'll show you a bad parent.
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