Want some northwood results?

[NorthwoodGuy]

hi. I'd like to keep anonymous but I recently found myself in a situation where I could benchmark the new 0.13 micron Pentium 4 (0.13). I am keeping anonymous becuase this information is not supposed to be spoken about until the 12th of january. But I'm taking this risk becuase I know people want to hear it.

I compared this 2.2gig chip to an XP 2000+ (1.66ghz).

XP system:

Asus A7V266-E (kt266a chipset)
256 megs of 133 DDR memory
Gefroce 3 Ti 500
Windows XP

The same system was used for the pentium 4 bar the chip and motherboard. It's an intel motherboard.

I'm not gonna try and analyse these benchmarks too much - you can do that yourself but I am slightly dissapointed considering the 533mhz clock speed difference.

the Benchmarks I did where sysmark 2001, 3dmark, q3bench and Sisoft Sandra..

enjoy!

[NorthwoodGuy]

SysMark 2001

Internet Content Creation 229
Office Productivity 143

3dmark 2001

3dmarks: 8005


--------------------- Q3Bench RESULTS ---------------------

FILE: q3b_010202_090333.txt
START TIME: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 09:03:33 AM
COMMENT: P4

BENCHMARK SETUP:
----------------
DEMO: DEMO001
CFG FILES RUN: Normal High Maximum
RESOLUTIONS RUN: 640x480 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 1600x1200

NUMBER OF RUNS: 3 times.


NORMAL Configuration File Settings:
(640x480) 259.1, 258.7, 259.0, AVERAGE FPS: 258.93
(800x600) 251.0, 251.7, 251.4, AVERAGE FPS: 251.37
(1024x768) 220.8, 222.9, 222.9, AVERAGE FPS: 222.20
(1280x1024) 159.9, 159.9, 159.9, AVERAGE FPS: 159.90
(1600x1200) 113.7, 113.7, 113.7, AVERAGE FPS: 113.70

HIGH Configuration File Settings:
(640x480) 252.4, 252.2, 252.4, AVERAGE FPS: 252.33
(800x600) 243.7, 243.5, 243.8, AVERAGE FPS: 243.67
(1024x768) 211.1, 211.1, 211.1, AVERAGE FPS: 211.10
(1280x1024) 154.3, 154.3, 154.4, AVERAGE FPS: 154.33
(1600x1200) 110.6, 110.6, 110.5, AVERAGE FPS: 110.57

MAX Configuration File Settings:
(640x480) 246.5, 246.5, 246.6, AVERAGE FPS: 246.53
(800x600) 237.5, 237.7, 237.7, AVERAGE FPS: 237.63
(1024x768) 207.2, 207.2, 207.2, AVERAGE FPS: 207.20
(1280x1024) 151.9, 152.0, 152.0, AVERAGE FPS: 151.97
(1600x1200) 109.3, 109.3, 109.3, AVERAGE FPS: 109.30

Sisoft Sandra

CPU:
Dhrystone ALU 4273 MIPS
Whetstone FPU/SSE2 1145/2682

Multimedia:

Integer SSE2 8714 it/s
Floating-Point SSE2 10801 it/s

Memory

Int ALU/RAM Bandwidth 950 mb/s
Float FPU/RAM Bandwidth 994 MB/s

[NorthwoodGuy]

SysMark 2001

Internet Content Creation 191
Office Productivity 154

3dmark 2001

8112 3dmarks


--------------------- Q3Bench RESULTS ---------------------

FILE: q3b_010102_051845.txt
START TIME: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 05:18:45 AM
COMMENT: Xp 2000

BENCHMARK SETUP:
----------------
DEMO: DEMO001
CFG FILES RUN: Normal High Maximum
RESOLUTIONS RUN: 640x480 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 1600x1200

NUMBER OF RUNS: 3 times.


NORMAL Configuration File Settings:
(640x480) 236.3, 236.5, 236.3, AVERAGE FPS: 236.37
(800x600) 230.7, 231.3, 231.2, AVERAGE FPS: 231.07
(1024x768) 210.9, 210.9, 210.9, AVERAGE FPS: 210.90
(1280x1024) 159.1, 159.1, 159.2, AVERAGE FPS: 159.13
(1600x1200) 113.5, 113.5, 113.6, AVERAGE FPS: 113.53

HIGH Configuration File Settings:
(640x480) 231.5, 231.4, 231.5, AVERAGE FPS: 231.47
(800x600) 225.6, 225.6, 225.8, AVERAGE FPS: 225.67
(1024x768) 201.0, 200.9, 201.0, AVERAGE FPS: 200.97
(1280x1024) 151.3, 151.2, 151.3, AVERAGE FPS: 151.27
(1600x1200) 110.3, 110.3, 110.3, AVERAGE FPS: 110.30

MAX Configuration File Settings:
(640x480) 226.0, 226.0, 226.1, AVERAGE FPS: 226.03
(800x600) 220.2, 220.3, 220.5, AVERAGE FPS: 220.33
(1024x768) 197.1, 197.0, 197.0, AVERAGE FPS: 197.03
(1280x1024) 149.0, 149.0, 148.9, AVERAGE FPS: 148.97
(1600x1200) 109.1, 109.1, 109.1, AVERAGE FPS: 109.10

Sisoft Sandra:

CPU:
Dhrystone ALU 4673 MIPS
Whetstone FPU 2336 MFLOPS

Multimedia:

Integer SSE 9338 it/s
Floating-Point SSE 10769 it/s

Memory:

Int ALU/RAM Bandwidth 765 MB/s
Float FPU/RAM Bandwidth 806 MB/s

[Aphex]

It enrages me how intel keep forcing up the Mhz of there new cpus, and charging so much because its a new technology, this being a northwood, mite as well be a p5, there gonna charge much more because the new micron process, and TBH, 2.2Ghz, those benchies only show 200Mhz over a 2Ghz p4. they don't show any increase due to the new micron process. What do u think Northwood guy? the AMD kicks b00ty!

[Phiber]

Same here.....If AMD made a chip at 1.8 it would clearly whoop that Northwood to the south......that northwood is set to debut at like $562 or something....

[Spode]

Just a thought.

Cast your minds back to the Slot A athlon. There was a 0.25 and a 0.18 micron version of say for instance the 650 avaialble (or some microns like that) and they ran aat the same speed except you could clock the 0.18 higher.

could be the move to 0.13 does little more than enable more clocking.

Just a thought.

[FireControl]

Just saw article about Northwood 2,2 oc to 3 still checking it out.

[Random Nonsense]

annonymous? i could make a guess ITS ME! MWUHAHAHA
no..... sorry just wish i had an XP2000+ tho! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
hey wait........... i could overclock mine to that....... especially with my new cooling system im putting togeather.

[FireControl]

More Dream fodder.

[seeker]

The 2Ghz Northwood will debut at $420, but drop to $364 by January 27th. The Athlon XP 2000+ is currently debuting in Japan at about $380 US.

The die shrink may not have done much for the Athlon but the Athlon wasn't initially designed solely for the smaller process like the P4 was. The P4 was released early on the larger process and they had to supersize the chip in order to do so, even with a huge chip that cut into profit margins they still had to cut out part of their design to make it work with sacrificed performance so that they could get higher mhz earlier. No one expected the P4 to be mainstream until it came out in the 0.13 micron process when the whole architectural design could be put on and it would be able to be sold cheaper, but it with a ramped up marketing effort it became mainstream earlier than expected.

With double the cache, architectural improvements like the chip was supposed to originally have, smaller die size, copper connectors like the Athlon has had for over a year, and less voltage required you guys are thinking too much in the past. The Northwood will be the chip to set the P4 line straight, like it was supposed to be. Then just wait till the FSB gets 1/3 faster here in couple months, paired with faster memory there will be little from AMD to compete with until the Hammer line gets out. Then shortly afterwards the P4 will be going 0.09 micron paired with DDR2+.

[TranceBear]

Originally posted by phiber
Same here.....If AMD made a chip at 1.8 it would clearly whoop that Northwood to the south......that northwood is set to debut at like $562 or something....

At the store I just got the 2.0 Northwood and I have them on sale for $450. They are the same looking as the old ones but they run at 1.5 volts. Not impressive.

[FireControl]

Is the northwood just in 478 format or 423.Which one will prevail?I haven't upgraded yet.Just trying to make my equipment as long as possible before I get rid of old and bring in the new.

[Spode]

Originally posted by seeker
The 2Ghz Northwood will debut at $420, but drop to $364 by January 27th. The Athlon XP 2000+ is currently debuting in Japan at about $380 US.

The die shrink may not have done much for the Athlon but the Athlon wasn't initially designed solely for the smaller process like the P4 was. The P4 was released early on the larger process and they had to supersize the chip in order to do so, even with a huge chip that cut into profit margins they still had to cut out part of their design to make it work with sacrificed performance so that they could get higher mhz earlier. No one expected the P4 to be mainstream until it came out in the 0.13 micron process when the whole architectural design could be put on and it would be able to be sold cheaper, but it with a ramped up marketing effort it became mainstream earlier than expected.

With double the cache, architectural improvements like the chip was supposed to originally have, smaller die size, copper connectors like the Athlon has had for over a year, and less voltage required you guys are thinking too much in the past. The Northwood will be the chip to set the P4 line straight, like it was supposed to be. Then just wait till the FSB gets 1/3 faster here in couple months, paired with faster memory there will be little from AMD to compete with until the Hammer line gets out. Then shortly afterwards the P4 will be going 0.09 micron paired with DDR2+.

Projecting into the future is always a tough thing, who knows what will happen. Everyone was expecting great things fromthe northwood and it certainly doesn't aspire to what I was expecting from what I see on these benchmarks.

QWhen the p4 first came out all we had was promises about software optimzations and that never came through. So i'm not holding my breath for promises.

[surlyjoe]

ouch

[FireControl]

Yes I think you're right but I will ask a Higher Authority.(my neighbour is a famous[no I can't tell you] astrolisist ,he says he reads stars and all that good stuff.I'll ask him what's in the stars for the northwood. Somehow I don't trust him because he still comes out in the morning to try and start his benz when he should just call the garage cuz he knows it will not start.