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Old 7th March, 2004, 12:43 PM
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SATA drive recommendations?

I'm going to get a SATA drive and I am considering either a fast Raptor drive or a high capacity drive. Is the 74Gb 10000rpm Raptor worth the money?
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What you gonna use it for?

The Raptor 74GB drive is a fast drive for most consumer stuff, such as games playing or office work. It can't cut it for multi-user server stuff however.

What's most important to you, speed or size? How much are you willing to trade off size for speed?
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Old 7th March, 2004, 02:21 PM
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This is for my A64 machine. I am using it as a server of sorts more of a repository for media files - my own photo library is getting quite big.

In time, I would hope that this machine will become my main PC.

So I guess a bigger drive would be better than a fast one at the moment.

I didn't realise that the Raptor is not so good for server use.
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I was unaware of this as well. WD certainly push at as an enterprise class drive, and the MTBF is quite impressive, as is the seek time.
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For desktop and single user the Raptor runs really really well. This sounds more like the use you'll put it to, even if you consider your machine to be a server.

For server duties (IE, real multi-user), the Raptor fairs not nearly so well. Multi-user in this context means a depth up to 64I/O requests outstanding. You're not likely to see this at home!
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Old 8th March, 2004, 11:16 AM
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I too am considering a SATA drive but am I going to notice much difference over mt ATA133 Maxtor with say a SATA150 Maxtor?
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If they were both Maxtor MaXline Plus II drives, then probably not. It's pretty much the same mechanics and electronics, so the performance is very similar.

For some drives, the only difference between the SATA and PATA versions is that the SATA drive has a SATA to PATA converter onboard!
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If they were both Maxtor MaXline Plus II drives, then probably not. It's pretty much the same mechanics and electronics, so the performance is very similar.

For some drives, the only difference between the SATA and PATA versions is that the SATA drive has a SATA to PATA converter onboard!
Thanks Áedán, probably not worth the expense in that case
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The other thing to consider when switching from PATA to SATA is whether you have a dedicated SATA controller or if the logic is built into the chipset, and if built into the chipset, where it is.

See, any current mobo that implements SATA as a separate chip, and a lot of mobos that implement it as a function of the chipset, put that SATA interface on the PCI bus. In that case, SATA will give you no better performance that ATA133 (or maybe even ATA100) because it is limited by the performance of the PCI bus. Only chipset implementations that put SATA on a high-speed internal bus (like the Intel 875 chipset) really allow you to take advantage of the full performance of SATA.
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The other thing to consider when switching from PATA to SATA is whether you have a dedicated SATA controller or if the logic is built into the chipset, and if built into the chipset, where it is.

See, any current mobo that implements SATA as a separate chip, and a lot of mobos that implement it as a function of the chipset, put that SATA interface on the PCI bus. In that case, SATA will give you no better performance that ATA133 (or maybe even ATA100) because it is limited by the performance of the PCI bus. Only chipset implementations that put SATA on a high-speed internal bus (like the Intel 875 chipset) really allow you to take advantage of the full performance of SATA.
Thanks, not sure how my board does it? DAnrok?
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I just ran this bench on my EIDE drive to compare it with the reference data. As you can see the single 7200rpm SATA is slower. You would need to pair up 2 drives and stripe them to get higher speeds. I am guessing that the 10000rpm drives would score about the same as ATA/133 with just one drive.

So, the way to do it is to get 2 SATA drives. But, then reliability becomes an issue with 2 drives which are dependant on each other. IMO, RAID should not be used unless your system is rock solid and you have a UPS, one glitch in the mains power whilst data is being written and you have a big problem.
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As near as I can tell from the block diagram of the chipset, the SATA interface and the IDE interface share a dedicated bus to the controller, so they aren't limited by the PCI bus per se. danrok's figures seem to suggest, though, that SATA doesn't offer any real benefits, either, at least not on the K8T Neo, other than being able to run RAID0. As he says, I would tend to stay away from RAID0, because it isn't fault tolerant. But that is your call.
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The reference figures that Sandra ships with don't seem to agree with what I've seen elsewhere. Generally the difference has been very slight (under 1%) if the SATA and PATA drives are the same model, but different interface.
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According to this test, I think the WD Raptor would be noticeably faster than my EIDE drive.

http://storagereview.com/articles/20...WD740GD_2.html
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Hence my comment earlier:

For desktop and single user the Raptor runs really really well. This sounds more like the use you'll put it to, even if you consider your machine to be a server.
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I consider it to be my slave
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When it goes wrong, who's the slave then?
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can i use a SATA as a master (think there is 4 sata ports) and still have my two ide's still hooked up, the MSI board has 3 ide channels also if that helps?
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You can have a SATA drive as your boot device or any drive.
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You can have a SATA drive as your boot device or any drive.
Ok, so I could have win xp 32bit on SATA and then Win XP on IDE 1 pri and another drive a slave on IDE as additional storage?
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