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Old 22nd August, 2005, 08:25 AM
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HDD Replacement/Addition.

This Friday (Payday) im going to buy a new hard drive...Last month i planned i shud buy a WD Raptor 74GB coz i game alot but with this new 16mb cache im not too sure whether its best buying a Raptor or a couple of 16mb cache drives and RAID 0 them?

What u guys think? If i go for the Raptor i'll RAID another one to that one next month.

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*EDIT* Not too worried about noise...Ive got used to my Maxtor 9 and that crunches like a Walkers BIG EAT!
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Old 22nd August, 2005, 09:07 AM
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i've heard, and it's my personal opinion as well.. that the raptors are too small in capacity to really be worth it, cost too much, and are quite loud. (and have been out-performed by raided lesser drives)
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Old 22nd August, 2005, 10:34 AM
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So...I shud perhaps look into 2x16mb cache drives on RAID 0? or shud for the minute the raptor be the best option...Not worried about the money...more in the need for performance!
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Old 22nd August, 2005, 11:02 AM
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Raptors are badly outdated, they offer very little extra performance over the latest 7200rpm offerings and are more expensive, noisey, power hungry and hot I see very little point in using them for a personel system

As for noise, have you ever attempted changing the AAM setting on that maxtor? you can get them damn near silent at about a 10% performance loss
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Old 22nd August, 2005, 02:47 PM
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AMM setting? Woah thats the first thing ive heard has a setting on a HDD i just figured they plug and play. How wud i adjust this setting?

So in ur opinion then Graham what shud i go for? Anything on OCUK will do the trick. Got about 130 to spend on one but will buy another to RAID 0 next month.
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Old 22nd August, 2005, 02:55 PM
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£130 will get you two 200GB maxtor 10's giving you 400GB space that will outperform a raptor for the price of a 74gb drive

You only get the 8mb cache versions but it's not a huge differance especially with sustained drive access

AAM affects the acoustic character of the drive at the cost of performance. The IBM/hitachi Feature tool can be used to lower it for quietness and it makes maxtor drives very very quiet, second only to Samsung Spinpoints (in the same speed/size bracket)

http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/download.htm
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Old 22nd August, 2005, 02:59 PM
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Final answer?! As i might order them now

I'll try the AMM proggy while i wait for a reply
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Old 22nd August, 2005, 03:04 PM
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They would be my choice, 200GB drives are usually the best £/GB ratio, not by much but it's still true, two of them will give you plenty of space and great performance.
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Old 22nd August, 2005, 03:08 PM
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Hmm i dunno, im still getting tingley feet from the 10k RPM of the Raptor

Space isnt a problem either as all i play is CSS and Guildwars atm. I cud always use my Maxtor 9 if i run outta space...I just wanna see those performance increases as i find my Maxxy 9 is my bottleneck atm.
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Old 22nd August, 2005, 03:12 PM
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A tingly feeling is about all that 10k rpm is good for (the amount it vibrates it really could give you) as data density is so low because of it's age that 7200rpm drives are begining to surpass it, trust me, two maxtor 10's will outperform it, in fact access time is about the only thing it's much faster than a single drive for, which makes the most differance when working with lots of small requests, i.e. not loading games
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Old 22nd August, 2005, 03:18 PM
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So 1xRaptor / 2x16mb cache Max10 drives? One now and one next month?
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2x8mb cache Max10's on RAID 0?

Im gonna buy soon...im fed up of waiting lol.
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Old 22nd August, 2005, 03:31 PM
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If space isn't important then 2x200GB maxtor 10's is my recomendation.

But I really really recomend against raptors, you will only be disapointed with the performance, in fact there was a post a week or so ago where a guy got a maxtor 10 to compliment his raptor, and was really impressed by how well it competed with it performance wise, I think he decided to get another to RAID them
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Old 22nd August, 2005, 03:34 PM
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Right then uve got me...2xMaxxies it is...but ermm, i cudnt have the 16mb cache ones cud i? As i dont have SATA2 not got the ultra board
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Old 22nd August, 2005, 03:44 PM
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SATAII drives work fine on SATA150 controllers, and you would still get the benefits of 16mb cache, you would just top out a 150mb/s which the you will only reach in burst mode, sustained transfer will be more like 135mb/s

If you can afford 2x250GB drives then you are only paying about 2p more per GB than a 200GB drive so if you really want the extra boost from the higher cache and can afford 2 then go for it
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Old 22nd August, 2005, 03:45 PM
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Two Of Them It Is!!

Just one last question...Why the difference in price:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Maxtor2.html
(Top Two)
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Old 22nd August, 2005, 03:59 PM
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I think the Maxline and Diamondmax drives are essentially the same, but the maxline are kind of like a premium range, they have a better warranty and longer guaranteed lifetime (somthing silly like 100 years)
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Old 22nd August, 2005, 04:02 PM
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Awesome...Well ive gone for the top one this month (Just one!) and will get another next month
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and are designed for mean time to failure (MTTF) of 1 million hours (based on a statistical sample) for low-I/O duty cycle midline and nearline applications
I'm curious, how do you get those statistics without testing for at least 100 years
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Old 22nd August, 2005, 04:13 PM
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Mayb they hit the fast forward button twice?
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What about Samsung Spinpoint drives? They get excellant reviews, and are quicker then Raptors, and a lot quieter too.
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