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Old 23rd August, 2005, 07:29 PM
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format war here we come

toshiba and sony have all but given up trying to join forces and a format war becconds.

****bbc report****

"Next gen DVD rivals fail to agree
Two DVD formats
The new DVDs can hold much more information
Efforts to come up with a compromise on the next generation of DVD format appear to have stalled.

Technology giant Toshiba and Sony had been in talks about bringing together rival DVD technologies.

But the two are planning to go ahead with their own formats after talks on a single format failed, reported the Japanese Daily Yomiuri newspaper.

Toshiba, with NEC and Sanyo, is pushing HD-DVD, while backers of Sony's Blu-ray include Dell and Samsung.

The next generation of DVDs, due to go on sale later this year, will be able to store much more data, including high-definition video.

This offers incredible 3D-like quality pictures which major Hollywood studios and games publishers are extremely keen to exploit.

Stalled talks

The clash between HD-DVD and Blu-ray parallels the battle a generation ago between VHS and Betamax, which resulted in the demise of Betamax.

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Sony plans to use Blu-ray in the PlayStation 3
The groups backing the rival next generation DVD formats had been keen to avoid a repeat of the format wars of video.

But negotiations between Toshiba and Sony on coming up with a hybrid DVD system have stalled, with Toshiba pressing ahead with production of HD-DVDs.

Toshiba "is planning to launch our first HD-DVD products by the end of this year. To do that, we have to start production of software for it by the end of this month," said a spokeswoman.

However, neither side has closed the door on developing a single format.

"We have not set a time limit for the talks," added the Toshiba spokeswoman.

For its part, Sony said future negotiations would be held "if there will be an opportunity for it".

Storage space

Sony plans to put a Blu-ray disc drive in its new PlayStation 3 game console next year.

Blu-ray backers include Apple, Dell, Hewlett Packard, Samsung, and Disney.

HD-DVD supporters include Paramount Pictures, Universal Pictures and Warner Brothers Studios.

Blu-ray discs can store 50GB of high-quality data, while Toshiba's HD-DVD can hold 30GB

Both disc formats offer much better quality audio and video, and could also mean there is a lot more space for interactive elements.

Analysts say that new technology might be able to overcome the problem of different DVD formats, much like multi-region players can play DVDs from any part of the world."



so whos gona win, blu-rays better, but i think hd-dvd will be cheaper????
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Old 23rd August, 2005, 10:26 PM
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I rather hope it's Blu-ray. Sony are doing rather better this time than they did at the time of Betamax. Then, Sony released this great new standard, then tried to drum up support, then refused to drop prices to match the competition.

This time it'll still be more expensive, but not dramatically so, and they have managed to persuade a good chunk of the music and movie market to join in. Sony's new M.D. is an American. Let's hope this results in a more flexible business practice than that for which they've been noted in the past. The ability to slash prices, make deals and expand the market is what allowed the inferior VHS to beat the superior Betamax.
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Old 24th August, 2005, 09:23 AM
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Blu-ray backers include Apple, Dell, Hewlett Packard, Samsung, and Disney.
HD-DVD supporters include Paramount Pictures, Universal Pictures and Warner Brothers Studios.

Is only a coincidence or I see Blu-Ray supporters are more computer world related and HD-DVD are movie world related?
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Old 24th August, 2005, 10:34 AM
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Well, i see that Blu-ray could win this format war due to the increased size (which means more dvd content, or longer video games) BUT the wild card in this war is that HD-DVD can be played on existing technology (HD-DVD's coming with 2 versions of the movie, a standard MPEG-2 version and the HD version)
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Old 24th August, 2005, 07:38 PM
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better doesnt mean it will win. every one knows that betamax was better, but then what most people dont know is that betamax has made far more money then vhs, it was the forrunner to digi beta, they quadrupeled the price and sold it to tv companys, but lets hope common sence wins out this time shall we

a little beside the point, but have you seen the successer to blu-ray, already in development, instead of using 0's and 1's there trying to make it so that it can measure the angle that the light reflects of at, 'they' say when its finished, in 10 ish years it should have 1 terabite a disk

o my, we're living in the future
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Old 24th August, 2005, 08:02 PM
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Well the PS3 is still going to be the number one format in my opinion, but how many people watch films on their PS2? And with the kind of processing power the PS3 is likely to have, it ain't gonna be silent or low power, so I don't see people watching movies on it.

I see most drives ending up being able to read both, and HD-DVD winning when it comes to film distrobution
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Old 24th August, 2005, 08:07 PM
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how manny of us have hd tv anyway??
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Well I watch all my tv at 1280x1024 so

To be honest you don't need HD unless you have a 28"+ screen, apart from stills I don't think I'd notice any more detail from DVD's and DVB while watching it on a 19" monitor
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Oh HDTV looks great! Really great! It doesn't mean that the quality of the programmes will get any better though...
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I bet most of hollywoods actors are soiling themselfs at the prospect of every surgery scar and botox injection prick being faithfully represented in hi-res for all to see
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One claim which has been made is that the failure of Betamax was driven by the porn industry's preference for "cheap convenient VHS". Whilst claims that this was because Sony disallowed the sex industry from licensing the format are unlikely since the licenses applied to the production of equipment, the sex industry's reluctance to use Betamax may have been due to the short, one-hour time limit on the original Betamax tapes.
The pr0n industry's bread and butter now is the cheap production costs of DVDs.

If sony makes it difficult for them again, or makes their product too expensive to produce, or too expensive for Merv the Perv to watch, they could go the same way.
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how manny of us have hd tv anyway??
Surely you mean, How many of us watch tv period? I thought this was the only palce we were suppose to be watching???


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Surely you mean, How many of us watch tv period? I thought this was the only palce we were suppose to be watching???


shhh, reaches for the remote control.
granted for the most part i dont watch telly, mostly just films
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