AOA Forums AOA Forums AOA Forums Folding For Team 45 AOA Files Home Front Page Become an AOA Subscriber! UserCP Calendar Memberlist FAQ Search Forum Home


Go Back   AOA Forums > Hardware > General Hardware Discussion

General Hardware Discussion Hard drives, CD, DVD Monitors, All hardware questions not better served by our other Topics


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #21 (permalink)  
Old 9th September, 2005, 07:20 PM
Gizmo's Avatar
Chief BBS Administrator
BassTeroids Champion, Global Player Champion, Aim & Fire Champion, Puzzle Maniax Champion, Othello Champion, Canyon Glider Champion, Unicycle Challenge Champion, YetiSports 9: Final Spit Champion, Zed Champion
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Webb City, Mo
Posts: 16,178
Send a message via ICQ to Gizmo Send a message via AIM to Gizmo Send a message via MSN to Gizmo Send a message via Yahoo to Gizmo Send a message via Skype™ to Gizmo

That quote is actually a bit misleading. Yes, it's a headphone jack. The point they are making there is that the tech is small enough to be able to fit on a headphone jack, and since they only require 3 connections, it could be implemented that way if you wanted to. There's nothing particularly novel there; Dallas Semiconductor and others have had devices similar to that for years. What's novel is the claimed storage density and speed for a non-volatile memory.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #22 (permalink)  
Old 9th September, 2005, 11:03 PM
tiamat63's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: July 2005
Location: O-H!!
Posts: 1,442

Fake.....

Look at the layout of the website for one.
..
Then the "optical transciver" (laser from a cd-rom drive) in a CPU...RIGHT>>>
Plus the only thing windowsXP works on is x86 and Itaniums....and I'm sure they dont reach even close to those speeds, although Intel has prototype pentiums, heatless that use "lasers", theroretically clocked around 8Ghz
__________________
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #23 (permalink)  
Old 10th September, 2005, 01:47 AM
Member
 
Join Date: September 2005
Location: India -- Land of the Sages
Posts: 76

Bag o 'Gas !!

From what i have heard ,theyre still not quite close to stabilizing quantum states for any significant period of time that means the memory cannot be non volatile .But Atom Chip claims its storage is non-volatile ..No way its true .Maybe theyre trying to sucker some dumb VC's into it ...Who knows
__________________
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #24 (permalink)  
Old 10th September, 2005, 02:50 AM
fearless joe's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: December 2004
Location: london
Posts: 589

quite simply, i dont think that this whould have escaped us if it was real,

give it a decade maby
__________________
errm a signature, i duno, hello
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #25 (permalink)  
Old 10th September, 2005, 02:56 AM
GrahamGarside's Avatar
Member/Contributer
 
Join Date: September 2004
Location: England
Posts: 4,572

For anyone not quite convinced thi is load of vaporware nonsense

http://www.compu-technics.com/images/solar%20memory.WMV
__________________
"Well yes but I'm afraid I prematurely shot my wod on what was supposed to be a dry run if you will, so now I'm afraid I have something of a mess on my hands."

Tobias Fünke, M.D.

AOA Team fah
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #26 (permalink)  
Old 10th September, 2005, 03:10 PM
Got EpOx's Avatar
Team 45 Folder
 
Join Date: April 2005
Location: Exmouth, UK
Posts: 2,569
Send a message via MSN to Got EpOx Send a message via Skype™ to Got EpOx

Yup you convinced me.
__________________
Intel Core 2 Duo T5500 1.66Ghz
1GB PC2-5300 667Mhz
Matsh1ta DVD/RW Drive
232GB Western Digital 'My Book' External HDD USB 2.0
80GB Hitachi SATA HDD
Onboard Audio
Intel GMA 950 Onboard Video
Want to make a difference without leaving your chair?, then join the AOA folding team today!
AOA Folding @Home
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #27 (permalink)  
Old 10th September, 2005, 03:45 PM
Exile69's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: July 2005
Location: Virginia, United States
Posts: 1,264
Send a message via AIM to Exile69 Send a message via MSN to Exile69

lol, you have me convinced.
__________________
Research Ron Paul

AOA Team fah

Abit NF-M2 | XFX 8600GT | AM2 X2 3800+ | 2Gb G.Skill DDR2 800 | Aspire X-QPack | 250Gb Western Digital | Creative X-Fi + Logitech X530 5.1
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #28 (permalink)  
Old 10th September, 2005, 10:38 PM
Abdul's Avatar
xD ~HOO-RAAH
Snake Champion, Chopper Challenge Champion, Pacman Champion, Capture The Flag Champion, Mario Bros Pipe Panic Champion, Dirt Bike 2 Champion
 
Join Date: April 2005
Posts: 375
Send a message via MSN to Abdul

Well, they have it on

http://www.cesweb.org/attendees/awar...sp?category=48

So it looks legitimate, and Dave's usually right! And hell its ****ing AWESOME!
__________________
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #29 (permalink)  
Old 11th September, 2005, 12:25 AM
Got EpOx's Avatar
Team 45 Folder
 
Join Date: April 2005
Location: Exmouth, UK
Posts: 2,569
Send a message via MSN to Got EpOx Send a message via Skype™ to Got EpOx

Hell it certainly is. I mean who wouldn't want to own a laptop like that.
__________________
Intel Core 2 Duo T5500 1.66Ghz
1GB PC2-5300 667Mhz
Matsh1ta DVD/RW Drive
232GB Western Digital 'My Book' External HDD USB 2.0
80GB Hitachi SATA HDD
Onboard Audio
Intel GMA 950 Onboard Video
Want to make a difference without leaving your chair?, then join the AOA folding team today!
AOA Folding @Home
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #30 (permalink)  
Old 11th September, 2005, 12:58 AM
Member/Contributor/Resident Crystal Ball
 
Join Date: March 2004
Posts: 7,451

LoL...it's probably as fast as a p3 933mhz....i really think 6.8ghz is the wavelength.


Um, check in to quantum computing. There have been quantum processors/computers for YEARS. The tasks they perform, however, are not very complex.

http://www.qubit.org/ is the Oxford university site for quantum computing. Ya'll know what a bit is...qubit is quantum bit. They have had 5-7 qubit machines running since 2000. The realization of cheap solid-state devices is a nessecary part of making a full quantum computer with error correction.

The man of the hour, for the first quantum computer, is Issac Chuang, a professor @ MIT. You can find HIS site here: http://feynman.media.mit.edu/ike/homepage/


You might wanna dig into Turing machines as well...http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/turing-machine/

It's alot to absorb, but if you can make your way through the convoluted speech, the concept is quite simple.
__________________
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #31 (permalink)  
Old 11th September, 2005, 02:30 PM
Chief Systems Administrator
 
Join Date: September 2001
Location: Europe
Posts: 13,075

6.8GHz nowhere near the frequency of light. Move up a few orders of magnatude and you'll be getting towards light. After all, it is in the THz range!

As far as quantum computers go, they're up to 7 qubits. To be able to represent a single register on IA32 (Intel architecture) would require the use of 16 qubits (I think?), and would make absolutely no sense whatsoever. Quantum computing is so radically different from any other processing that it would be hugely complex and slow to emulate a standard CPU using quantum computing. Likewise, you can't really emulate quantum computing using a standard CPU. The power of quantum computing is such that if someone sucessfully builds a system of any decent size, most of the world's ciphers will become redundant; quantum computing just decimates encryption as it can consider all possible solutions simultanously, unlike standard processors that can only examine a single possible solution at a time.

Of course, the fact that your qubits are only stable for milliseconds makes it a little difficult to solve many problems with current quantum computer. The other issue is external interference from anything with mass rapidly causes the state of the qubits to degrade.
__________________
Any views, thoughts and opinions are entirely my own. They don't necessarily represent those of my employer (BlackBerry).
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #32 (permalink)  
Old 11th September, 2005, 02:34 PM
dsio's Avatar
Steve Jobs
 
Join Date: October 2002
Location: Brisbane, QLD, Australia
Posts: 8,037

Light is around 3.0X10^15 hz (if I got that question correct on my quantum physics test last friday).

Plenty of headroom there
__________________
Notebook: Apple Macbook Pro 13" i7 2.7Ghz (3.4Ghz max) 8GB DDR3 1333Mhz (Mac OSX 10.6.7)
Desktop: ASUS Rampage Formula X48
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 (Yorkfield) @ 3.60Ghz (Folding SMP Linux)
Running Fedora 15 Linux (GNOME 3)
Dual Dell 2407WFP
AOA Team fah

Drivers, Games, Demos, Mods and Overclocking Tools At AOAFiles
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #33 (permalink)  
Old 11th September, 2005, 02:46 PM
Got EpOx's Avatar
Team 45 Folder
 
Join Date: April 2005
Location: Exmouth, UK
Posts: 2,569
Send a message via MSN to Got EpOx Send a message via Skype™ to Got EpOx

Certainly. The frequency of light must be pretty high.
__________________
Intel Core 2 Duo T5500 1.66Ghz
1GB PC2-5300 667Mhz
Matsh1ta DVD/RW Drive
232GB Western Digital 'My Book' External HDD USB 2.0
80GB Hitachi SATA HDD
Onboard Audio
Intel GMA 950 Onboard Video
Want to make a difference without leaving your chair?, then join the AOA folding team today!
AOA Folding @Home
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #34 (permalink)  
Old 11th September, 2005, 02:49 PM
Chief Systems Administrator
 
Join Date: September 2001
Location: Europe
Posts: 13,075

Quote:
Originally Posted by tripo
But Atom Chip claims its storage is non-volatile ..No way its true .Maybe theyre trying to sucker some dumb VC's into it ...Who knows
They claim to be using the magnetic quantum-optical effect for memory, not quantum states. That basically means they're coupling magnetic effects with quantum properties. That much is believable. The rest? Sounds like they're just trying to get their name out there for VC.
__________________
Any views, thoughts and opinions are entirely my own. They don't necessarily represent those of my employer (BlackBerry).
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #35 (permalink)  
Old 11th September, 2005, 03:12 PM
Got EpOx's Avatar
Team 45 Folder
 
Join Date: April 2005
Location: Exmouth, UK
Posts: 2,569
Send a message via MSN to Got EpOx Send a message via Skype™ to Got EpOx

Yup, i think they are just trying to get there technology known to ppl who don't know alot and by doing this they can easily slip in new things and feature and people will say wow!.
__________________
Intel Core 2 Duo T5500 1.66Ghz
1GB PC2-5300 667Mhz
Matsh1ta DVD/RW Drive
232GB Western Digital 'My Book' External HDD USB 2.0
80GB Hitachi SATA HDD
Onboard Audio
Intel GMA 950 Onboard Video
Want to make a difference without leaving your chair?, then join the AOA folding team today!
AOA Folding @Home
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #36 (permalink)  
Old 11th September, 2005, 06:28 PM
Member/Contributor/Resident Crystal Ball
 
Join Date: March 2004
Posts: 7,451

Quote:
Originally Posted by Áedán
6.8GHz nowhere near the frequency of light. Move up a few orders of magnatude and you'll be getting towards light. After all, it is in the THz range!

As far as quantum computers go, they're up to 7 qubits. To be able to represent a single register on IA32 (Intel architecture) would require the use of 16 qubits (I think?), and would make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Except, of course, that quantum bits, or qubits, can signify 2 to the 2500 power normal bits becasue of the behavior of photons. Unlike a standard bit, that only travels down one path, a photon has been shown to travel MANY paths.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Áedán
Of course, the fact that your qubits are only stable for milliseconds makes it a little difficult to solve many problems with current quantum computer. The other issue is external interference from anything with mass rapidly causes the state of the qubits to degrade.

this is why solidstate memory is nessecary, as you use the qubit to program the memory immediately. the only "quantum" part of the pc is the processor.
__________________
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #37 (permalink)  
Old 11th September, 2005, 07:45 PM
Got EpOx's Avatar
Team 45 Folder
 
Join Date: April 2005
Location: Exmouth, UK
Posts: 2,569
Send a message via MSN to Got EpOx Send a message via Skype™ to Got EpOx

Cool, you seem to know alot about this Cadaveca.
__________________
Intel Core 2 Duo T5500 1.66Ghz
1GB PC2-5300 667Mhz
Matsh1ta DVD/RW Drive
232GB Western Digital 'My Book' External HDD USB 2.0
80GB Hitachi SATA HDD
Onboard Audio
Intel GMA 950 Onboard Video
Want to make a difference without leaving your chair?, then join the AOA folding team today!
AOA Folding @Home
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #38 (permalink)  
Old 11th September, 2005, 08:45 PM
Member
 
Join Date: January 2005
Location: Brighton
Posts: 4,856

First of all, using a headphone jack could simply have been there to demonstrate. It's also entirely possible.
Secondly, I am not going to doubt Cadaveca. I'm sure if this guy says it's real, it is.

The site makes it hard, because its a very messy site and does not reflect any sense of quality. Plus the laptop looks very bodged up, but that's probably because it's a prototype.
__________________
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #39 (permalink)  
Old 11th September, 2005, 08:48 PM
Member/Contributor/Resident Crystal Ball
 
Join Date: March 2004
Posts: 7,451

i'm not saying THEIR system is fully working, however, it is VERY possible.
__________________
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #40 (permalink)  
Old 11th September, 2005, 08:56 PM
Got EpOx's Avatar
Team 45 Folder
 
Join Date: April 2005
Location: Exmouth, UK
Posts: 2,569
Send a message via MSN to Got EpOx Send a message via Skype™ to Got EpOx

I'm sure it is.
__________________
Intel Core 2 Duo T5500 1.66Ghz
1GB PC2-5300 667Mhz
Matsh1ta DVD/RW Drive
232GB Western Digital 'My Book' External HDD USB 2.0
80GB Hitachi SATA HDD
Onboard Audio
Intel GMA 950 Onboard Video
Want to make a difference without leaving your chair?, then join the AOA folding team today!
AOA Folding @Home
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Quantum computer to be unleashed Tuesday danrok General Hardware Discussion 28 16th February, 2007 07:23 PM
New Chips, Cards, and a Quantum Leap Gizmo General Hardware Discussion 10 5th December, 2005 10:33 PM
Fast Quantum Encryption Gizmo Random Nonsense! 12 18th May, 2004 08:09 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 01:34 AM.


Copyright ©2001 - 2010, AOA Forums
Don't Click Here Don't Click Here Either

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0