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Old 21st November, 2005, 12:38 AM
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I still like the sempron Idea and I'll put win x64 (a legel copy don't delete the post this time) coprate edition on it. so that would save and my friend told me he can spend $400. and calhoun my friend's family has financial problems. I do not indicated by my PC's. And I do now build PC for other people as a job ( I'm building this one for free).
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Old 22nd November, 2005, 05:23 AM
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I agree with the general consensus that this idea somehow involved a burnt up chore-boy and tin foil. I gave it a shot though. At first it seemed almost reasonable. But oh yeah, here's the $80 case I am buying, and gimmie a new OS with that. OMFG dude. You can't even get a crappy dell book PC for that. There's a price curve to components. We are trying to hit the top of it, but $300 - $200 for the stuff you threw in... Come on.
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Old 24th November, 2005, 12:09 AM
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ok I said try for $400 amd I already have the OS.
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Old 24th November, 2005, 04:02 PM
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http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...u=I69-2017%20C
what about that. it's only $120
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Old 24th November, 2005, 04:11 PM
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Minus rebate. Good luck on getting that.

But I would really have to agree that you are not going to better a entry level Dell for $300.

And I think you'll find there's is no legal copy of XP Corp outside the business who purchased the license.

Take a read of the T&C's.
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Old 24th November, 2005, 09:03 PM
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you din't have to be a buissness to buy it just rich. and the liecnce is noe in my name. It's bean validated by MS that I have 23 liecenses left.
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Old 24th November, 2005, 09:13 PM
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I don't think you will do ANY better than a Dell either, we might winge about them, but at entry level, you really cannot build anything to compete!

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Old 24th November, 2005, 09:20 PM
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madcatmk3,
If you still aren't committed... Think Black Friday. Look all over at the adds... If you can get up at 4 in the morning and fight the crowds, you might work something out... better yet, let your friend do it.

Also, Dell should have good specials right now... and I still think that is the better option.

BTW, is your friend high or low maintenence?
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Old 25th November, 2005, 05:06 PM
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Have you guys used one of those crappy little dells? OMG.. Forgive them Daniel, for they know not what they do. I have used one.. you want to hit it. They are such crap. It can't be described. Sit at one, and be enlightened.
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A computer is no more than it's specs. As far as software, he can always reinstall his copy of Windows XP. A Dell is great for around $300, you can't really build something that cheap with the same quality parts, but once you start into the $350-400 range a cheap, quality, custom, upgradeable computer can indeed be purchased, especially if he already has the operating system.
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Old 25th November, 2005, 05:42 PM
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A computer is no more than it's specs.
True.

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As far as software, he can always reinstall his copy of Windows XP.
Not true. XP licenses are not transferable. You can upgrade a system, but building a new one and putting the same license on it is not legal.

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A Dell is great for around $300, you can't really build something that cheap with the same quality parts.
I wouldn't call a all in one mobo with bad sound, bad video, and little or no option for expansion quality. You'll find it's not uncommon for commercial machines to not support anything but the chip they shipped with.

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but once you start into the $350-400 range a cheap, quality, custom, upgradeable computer can indeed be purchased, especially if he already has the operating system.
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Old 25th November, 2005, 05:43 PM
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Quality from Dell at $300? LOL....sorry thats a joke until you reach at least $699 for them. Good old passive cooling and plenty of air ducts, just the bare minimum. Celeron, maybe an M brand if your lucky, (1) 256mb stick of RAM, and since anything below 512 makes XP unhappy, you have to go back through Dell to upgrade...

Basically unless you have one of the more expensive components to this machine already purchased, I.e. CPU, GPU, RAM etc...its going to cost more than 300
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Oops. I see how that looked. "The same quality parts". I guess I should've said, "The same quality of parts." If you guys can pick out a nice system for $300 with an optical drive, Windows XP, a PSU, a CPU, memory, some form of graphics, some form of sound, and a case to put it in, then please do, it would at least be contributing to a members dilemma...

Edit: A 300$ Dell, that's $300 after the $50 rebate, consists of a Celeron D 325 (2.53Ghz, 533FSB), 512Mb of DDR400 RAM (remember to subtract the monitor, it would be the same price with 256Mb of RAM and a monitor, but I think 512Mb is well worth the subtraction), an 80Gb HDD, a CD-Drive, a case, a PSU, Windows XP, a mouse and keyboard, and some extra software. I'm not saying I like Dell, but for $300 that's pretty hard to beat. http://configure.us.dell.com/dellsto...=D30CSAP&s=dhs
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Old 26th November, 2005, 12:48 AM
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if you can find something for $400 tell me I might be able to get a old intel and reuse that not sure though. I was thinking of a dell but today at gamespot they had a dell xps (fully loaded) and it wouldn't work it got stuck on the loading screen. I think the bios was installed incorstly becuase it couldn't reconginzes sytem componets.
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Realistically you aren't going to be buying an XPS are you?

All computer manufactuerers sometimes ship units which are DOA, thats life. I wouldn't count against a Dell purely because a high-end box, that shares no components with anything you are going to be able to buy, failed.

Like Exile said, at this price Dell are very hard to beat, they don't offer huge upgrade options, but you do get the most for your money.

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I have to agree, Dell are hard to beat.
They can get the components for much lower prices than you can.
A $400 PC is never going to be good compared to the water-cooled pumepd up systems some of you guys are used to.
I really think, madcat, you should just get on and find a good, decent $400 Dell.
Nobodies going to find components which offer better bang for buck.
Conversing continually isn't going to achieve an awful lot.
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I must agree, I still cant see how Dell is making money on those $399 dollar systems...they must be willing to take a hit. Just ensure that when you get this thing, you make sure the cooling is sufficient. Like I've said before, Dell loves getting by with the bare minimum on that issue.

Another note: For the Price of the latest Gen of XPS, you could build the thing yourself and save: $956.09....that was my total, and the list included the OS.
So the high end stuff from Dell seems to be a rip-off in mine eye, while the low end stuff...its just amazing, I still dont see how they can do it.
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They make up for it because of the profit margins on the high-end systems.
They can have deals with Intel and other companies which means they get components a lot cheaper than us.
It really isn't that hard to work out.
Big, worldwide Corporate Company Versus Teenager
It's fairly obvious which one can get the cheapest components.
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I think I have made my point.
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Saying to buy that thing for $300 is like telling me not to buy a $450 car, but a $300 moutain bike instead. Yeah, the Bike will get me 25 miles each way to work and back, but the trip isn't gonna be fun. I listed a nice $359 Build. Add a decent case to that and have a real PC. I don't see what the confusion is about.
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