xbox 360

[madcatmk3]

I know this isn't really computer hardware but I still fell this should go here.
Ok I'm really annoyed with this new xbox. It's bean extremly hyped and so one. I played COD2 on it and the graphics were worse then that on my PC!!!
The setting were on max but at 1080i it looked fuzzy when you moved (I know why) and there was no FSAA or AA like promised. All this hype and it's worse then my PC. I also saw someone who modded one to run with a 7800 GTX got all the messages dew to nvidas feature that malkes refective light actully determine the look of a charecter. I'm sure the PS3 will be even worse but right now all I want to do is take all the next gen councels and light them.

[Exile69]

Originally Posted by madcatmk3

I know this isn't really computer hardware but I still fell this should go here.
Ok I'm really annoyed with this new xbox. It's bean extremly hyped and so one. I played COD2 on it and the graphics were worse then that on my PC!!!
The setting were on max but at 1080i it looked fuzzy when you moved (I know why) and there was no FSAA or AA like promised. All this hype and it's worse then my PC. I also saw someone who modded one to run with a 7800 GTX got all the messages dew to nvidas feature that malkes refective light actully determine the look of a charecter. I'm sure the PS3 will be even worse but right now all I want to do is take all the next gen councels and light them.

What did you expect...

[madcatmk3]

something atleast that amazes me not what I see everyday. If they only upgrade every 5 years or so they should make it really amazing at the time it realeses.

[calhoun]

yea seriously. i really think the xbox 360 is very overrated, but im in no position to talk about it, or downgrade it. I mean ive never played, and to be quite honest, i dont want to. I like PC games just fine. Give me an FX-57, 3 gigs of RAM, 2 7800gtx 512 cards in SLI mode, on a nice 21 inch LCD monitor, and include Half-life 2, CoD2, Doom 3, Quake 4, all these other games, and i personally think the 360 couldnt stand a chance. i mean it would be a very hard challenge. think about it. 2 of those moster video cards combined? one already is overkill. and include an FX-57 and 3 gigs of memory? What do you guys think of this?

[madcatmk3]

you only need 2 gigs my PC doesn't even use both while playing BF2. I already run BF2 at max settings with one (256)7800GTX. But when going that high end you have to condier a $4000 prce tag to a $400 price tag. I gues for the average person who doesn't run games at max it's cool. The 360 is good but nothing on PC the ps3 will be even worse. Those IBM power prosessors are complete junk.

[Pitch]

It's only overated by us people used to the sort of graphics PC's push thesedays.

For people who think the Xbox 1 has the best graphics and can't imagine anything better, it is not overated.

But the 360 against a PC of the similer price and tell me which is better then.

[madcatmk3]

thats what I just said but it's still dissapointting and it just a consle nothing else. While it does act as a media center extender that really a useless funtion.

[calhoun]

well i was just going out on a limb. i know all those high end parts (3 gigs of ram, FX-57, X-fi sound card, dual 7800gtx 512's in SLI) are not necessary to beat out the xbox. I mean, you can do so much more on the computer, and the PC games really are the way to go. If you have 1500-2000 dollars to spend, definetly go with PC. get a 4200 dual core (not necessary for gaming, but for an all around comp, it would come in handy), 2 gigs of ram, a 7800 gtx 256 meg, 17 inch LCD monitor, X-fi sound card, nice 300 gig hard drive from western digital, along with the newest PC games. But if you only have like 500-600 bucks but want something that will play awesome games at good graphics, get the xbox 360 along with some sweet games.

[Pitch]

Consoles fill a gap in the markets PC's can't and probably never will.

[calhoun]

Originally Posted by Pitch

Consoles fill a gap in the markets PC's can't and probably never will.

so your trying to say the xbox 360 will be better than PC??

[Daston]

I think he's saying all the kids who have not a clue about PC's can get one and be happy knowing it wont die.

What makes me laugh is by the time they get the most out of the system (in 5 years) PC will be about 10 years ahead I mean we are already a year ahead as Q4 isnt due to realise until next year, not to mension all the games coming to pc before getting downgraded to 360

[Áedán]

Originally Posted by madcatmk3

The setting were on max but at 1080i it looked fuzzy when you moved (I know why) and there was no FSAA or AA like promised. All this hype and it's worse then my PC. I also saw someone who modded one to run with a 7800 GTX got all the messages dew to nvidas feature that malkes refective light actully determine the look of a charecter.

The Xbox360 is a heck of a lot cheaper than a PC. It also doesn't have any of the compatibility problems either.

As far as "IBM power prosessors are complete junk", it's worth bearing in mind that developers have not got their head around them yet, in exactly the same way that developers on the PC have yet to get their heads around dual core/SMP. What you're seeing at the moment is less than a sixth of the potential power of the system. In this regard, it's likely that the release of the Xbox 360 and the PS3 is going to force developers to handle multiple executing threads properly. The irony here is the skillset will bleed over into the PC world, resulting in games on the PC that can utilise dual core processors. Thus, the console world is pushing the PC world forwards!

It's also worth remembering that any new features usually take a while for them to be used properly within games. How long has it taken shader model 3 code to actually be used to any effect? How long did hardware T&L take to become the norm?

Give the systems a year or so, and then make judgements. Right now, it's like trying to work out if a wine will be a good vintage when it's less than a year old!

As far as the person who "modded one to run with a 7800 GTX", that would be very interesting to see. Where they get the drivers from, as nVidia have never released PowerPC drivers. What about the features supported by the ATi card that aren't supported by the 7800GTX?

[Seperah]

The Xeno chips(360's GPU) are by far quite impressive. Intergrating a pixel shader and vertex unit into one processor. But what about the PPU that was suppose to be included in the box??? I for the most part, will always remain PC, as you can do alot more with a home computer than any xbox. As for the 360 being cheaper, one of the LAN stores up here has two on preorder...total nearly 1200$...so I'm not so sure about the price tag.

[fantomfreq]

IBM's Power Processors are certainly not junk. They multitask better than any other processor I've ever used (of course that might have something to do with the OS.) Also, the PS3 are almost guaranteed to be better, not worse. If I could get my hands on a Cell processor, I'd dump whatever I was using in a second. You did see the tech demo where they had a single cell decoding like 40 high-def streams simultaneously, right?

I think you guys are looking at consoles in the wrong light. Consoles are cheap and reliable. If you buy a game for the console it will work no matter whether you bought your console three years ago or yesterday. Consoles are really not meant to compete directly with PCs but rather complement them, as evidenced by all of the connectivity with the 360. I dare you to build a comparable computer to the 360 for $400 or less, one that can play Call of Duty 2 at a similar framerate at similar settings. It just can't be done. I can understand people who aren't attracted to consoles, but people who just dismiss them entirely are dismissing a large portion of the gaming audience. I'd be willing to say that >50% of the gaming audience last year was playing on a console rather than a computer.

[dsio]

The PS3 Cell chips are anything but "junk".

PowerPC has had a bad reputation recently for no very good reason really.

As Aedan mentioned, coders are going to have to work hard on reworking their code for the multithreaded Cell chips, since while porting is easy, as is implementing a degree of multithreading, optimising code is a massive task.

The PS3, like the PS2 gives coders a flexibility and a blank canvas more so than the Xbox equivilant, so I have a great amount of faith in it. Perhaps Cell will not make every supercomputer in the world obsolete as some have suggested, but it is a brilliant idea.


As for installing a 7800GTX in one? I was unlucky enough watch a pair of monkeys dismantle one for examination a couple of weeks back. While taking extra care to make the thing look untampered with for its return journey, we managed to snap the clips on the face plate, and reamed the torx head screws with a flathead bit in a cordless drill.

Now, I dont have a clue how anyone would like to go about this. Running a GTX is not simply throwing it in a PCI-E slot. Aside from the fact that a GTX card and cooling solution would not even fit in the Xbox360, and the motherboard would not even come close to providing the power requirements, the GPU is on the motherboard itself.

So if you cant run the motherboard, then you cant run the Xenon chip, and you cant run the Xbox 360s ram, so what is left of the xbox?

That aside, I know Nvidia drivers well, and there are no PPC drivers available, let alone a set that would provide actual 3d performance.

The whole idea sounds insane. Do you know who it was that claimed to be able to do it?

[tripo]

It always takes time for the programmers to get upto speed with the hardware
and i believe that it is just a matter of waiting a few more months before we see games really take advantage of the hardware ..

[Favu]

Originally Posted by dsio

so what is left of the xbox?

Umm the uhhh.... BOX

[madcatmk3]

Originally Posted by dsio

The whole idea sounds insane. Do you know who it was that claimed to be able to do it?

some kids in MIT I saw a vid of it playing a slightly different PDZ they might have bean using an n64 emulator now tha I think of it.
In the video they showed and xbox and the wires connecting it to the TV the xbox had a huge hole in it with a metel strip sticking out of it like the 7800 GTX heatsink.

[Alienware.com]

Well, for one thing you dont compare a console to a PC.....and if you want to get down to the point the Xbox 360 processor actually is one of.. IF NOT the most powerful processor out.....it is a TRI-core processor running at 3.2 ghz per core that equals out to 9.6 ghz...so i dont care who you are that is a nasty processor in a console...the GPU is sick as well.....it can handle all Hi-Def resolutions at 500mhz....

So ide love to see you people go find the individual parts in the Xbox 360 and build a system under $426.11

And as for the PS3..yes it will be a nice console indeed....but sony will not be able to master the Cell processor....

[mellow]

thats exactly how i felt about the xbox 360, runs better on my computer, and i could get the same frames as an xbox 360 if i drop DOWN the gfx a bit, thank god i wasnt a sucker and bought one...they threw so much bull**** hype on everyone and completely rushed everything.

woot first post!