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Old 19th June, 2006, 08:50 PM
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I just can't stand dell. Anyway I would like to build my own laptop regardless of which brand sells one, also the dell ahs to big a screen I need a smaller one as I'm taking it to school long battery life and size are important. I might consider an macbook if I can figure out how much battery life they get.
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What about Lenovo? I think I saw one with a 12.1" screen and about 7hrs runtime on a batt.
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Old 19th June, 2006, 11:37 PM
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What about Lenovo? I think I saw one with a 12.1" screen and about 7hrs runtime on a batt.
were thinkpads is one of the few brands I do trust.
EDIT: Found it, it's the X60, very pricey though.
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Old 20th June, 2006, 09:36 AM
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You can build a laptop if you want madcatmk3, but laptops barebones chassis are very sensitive to what you put in them.
For example, you must buy the exact right CPU otherwise the thing will burn up. This is because the thermal systems on Laptops can only deal with low TDP processors and are usually only capable of cooling one or two different CPU's.
So going for the best CPU, or the most powerful, could be tragic as the heatpipe coolers just won't be able to handle it. You must know EXACTLY which CPU to buy. Or it's bye-bye Laptop.

You will also need to abre in mind that laptops are assembled with tiny screws. You'll need to get yourself a specific and special small screwdriver kit.
There are also various switches and jumpers etc that have to be set, according to what you've put in it. Setting them incorrectly can spell disaster. One such example are DIP switches which tell the RAM what FSB the CPU has got. They are incredibly tiny, and have to be set perfectly - or bye-bye Laptop. Again.

Let's do a simple analogy. Anyone can make a car with four wheels and an engine. Look at things like Vauxhall Vectras, or your standard SUV's. That's us building our PCs.
Laptops however are more like Ferraris. They are precision engineering which has to be exact and god damn perfect!
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AP has been reading too much CPC! XD

But seriously, building a laptop for the first time is very stressful and irritating. It's nothing like building a PC, as AP pointed out. You're better off getting a retail laptop, or even one from Dell, because then you have a warranty with it and stuff. Repairing a laptop is a pain in the ass. Believe me. Get an iBook or a Dell laptop. I know it's Dell, but you can't really complain, since they kinda own us with their cheap, cheap prices.
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My friend just got a dell 640m. Damn nice machine.

But I wouldn't even concider building me own Laptop..
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My main problem with Dell is the fact they use proprietary components (PSU and motherboards and such) which rules out any chance of a serious upgrade or any overclocking.

However, how many people overclock, let alone upgrade their laptops beyond an extra stick of RAM? Next to none, for the reason that it's very complex and because they don't want to burn their laps with an even hotter CPU.

Also, if you buy a laptop from a company (any company, it doesn't have to be Dell) you can get a good warranty, where they will take the laptop off you and give you a replacement within a certain number of days, especially if you go for a next-day buisness warranty.

Now, no matter how well you build you own laptop, the components will still be the same quality, and therefore there is the same chance of something going wrong. If something does go wrong, well, you would have to buy another CPU to see if the CPU was dead, then another stick of RAM to see if that was the case, then maybe another motherboard to see if that had gone, and in the end it turns out it's the HDD because your friend dropped it. But you've basically had to buy another laptop to figure that out.

Not fun, eh?

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Ive got a Dell Inspiron 6000 and despite the fact that I wouldn't buy a pre-made desktop PC of ANY brand unless it was for mass business use I would recommend the Dell laptops to anyone and although I cant comment on all their product warranties, I have a three year 48 hour repair or replace cover on mine which I'm confident I will never have to use.

Don't ignore a manufacturer just because a horde of sheltered Apple fanboy, anti-Dell/Microsoft fanatics are slamming them at every opportunity....remember these are the guys which will pay $600 extra for a laptop that slowly changes colour with use and then catches fire. When this scenario is put to them they will mutter about teething problems being unavoidable whilst loudly proclaiming "I never had one BSOD with my Apple computer" the fact that this is because it was too busy combusting to let anyone know of its internal plight gets brushed aside.

On the flipside.....I'm just about to re-install windows after a failed defragmentation, apparently instead of re-arranging my files into a contiguous block it decided to throw some of them away and play scrabble with a few more.

Take a look at the Dell range, they are worth considering is you can find a small screened model.
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remember these are the guys which will pay $600 extra for a laptop that slowly changes colour with use and then catches fire.
If the outside of my laptop changed color I'd pay $600 for it.
I'll look at dell but I really hate them, I'll see about the thinkpad, it's perfect for what I want it for but I don't want to have to spend $1600. Anyway I'm definetly not going to build one myself then.
P.S. If you want to have go through the dell NY school district link. They tag on a $1000 fee . A-holes
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What exactly is it about Dell you hate?
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What exactly is it about Dell you hate?
every one of there systems I've seen or worked with has sucked so I've bean left with a deep hate for them.
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You have deep hate?
Cor, that blows.
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every one of there systems I've seen or worked with has sucked so I've bean left with a deep hate for them.
See, thats what I don't get. Computers don't suck. Components in them suck. Dell makes some of the fastest computers in the world in the XPS series.
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See, thats what I don't get. Computers don't suck. Components in them suck. Dell makes some of the fastest computers in the world in the XPS series.
which also suck. I've fixed a lot of XPS's right after being purchased. Mabey it's also worth upgrading the ram 3rd party? ALso with lenovo x60 I would still need two batterys and that an extra $280
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which also suck. I've fixed a lot of XPS's right after being purchased.
I find it somewhat difficult to believe that you were asked by anyone to repair a brand new multi thousand dollar computer when it is under warranty.

Furthermore, the XPS series is built with the same high end components that we all use in our custom gaming machines. I still don't see how you can say they "suck". I still don't even know what that means.
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No offence madcamk3, but please stop making things up.
Imagination is good - but this is a joke!
How old are you, 15?
No one would let a 15 year old fix their expensive PC. As Dsio said, all XPS' are likely to still be under warranty too. You'd also need qualifications. Which you don't have.
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I still don't see how you can say they "suck". I still don't even know what that means.
It means they have more fans taking air in than pushing air out, therefore they suck. Duh.

And if they have more exhaust fans, well, obviously then it would blow.

Personally, I'm lucky, becuase my PC sucks AND blows
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were thinkpads is one of the few brands I do trust.
Having seen the quality change in the range of ThinkPads since Lenovo took over, I personally would not recommend a ThinkPad at this point in time. (The company I work for has a large number of ThinkPads...)

I note that few people know that the T30 series of ThinkPad motherboards had an interesting fault whereby the second SO-DIMM slots would stop working. In an office of seven T30 laptops, each one eventually developed the same fault.
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