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Old 4th October, 2006, 09:05 PM
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AM2 - I failed the $400 budget though

Quick look at AM2 turned up some shakey things.
Stores are EBUYER AND ARIA (UK)
Prices converted with http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi
Havent bothered to do a cross swap to see if buying from both places would effect theprice - but have added on VAT and SHIPPING COSTS.

EBUYER

Case
Antler PC-156 Beige ATX Midi Tower Case - With 350W PSU £14.99
Dubious about PSU
MSI K9VGM-V K8M890 Socket AM2 £34.61
Sempron 2800 1.6GHz 256kb L2 cache AM2 940 pin £22.44
Point Of view 6200LE 64mb TV DVI Support up to 256mb PCI-E £22.44
CRUCIAL - BALLISTIX 2 * 256MB PC2-4200 £38.50
Seagate ST380211AS 80GB 7200rpm SATAII - OEM £24.06
Gigabyte Black Wired PS/2 Keyboard and Wired Optical Mouse £4.24
LG GDR-8164BB 16x52 DVD-Rom Internal IDE (Beige) - OEM £9.20
Sony CRX230ES 52x32x52x CD-RW Internal IDE (Silver) - OEM £10.88
Microsoft OEM Windows XP Home SP2B (Release 2) x32bit £45.28

Shipping: *£3.83
VAT: £40.65
Total: £272.62

272.62 GBP = 514.276 USD

ARIA

ATX Midi tower USB / AUDIO / 450w PSU £15:00
MSI K9NGM-L Socket AM2 ONBOARD NVIDIA 6100 GFX £33.15
AMD Sempron 2800+ Retail AM2 £26.95
Samsung 52x52x32 x16 CDRW/DVD Black Combi Drive £13.95
80GB Maxtor DMax10 SATA2 7200 8MB 6V080E0 £24.50
Aria 3 in 1 Multimedia Set (Beige) Keyboard, Mouse & Speaker £4.05
Microsoft Windows XP Home OEM SP2 £47.65
512MB V-Data PC5300 DDR2 667 SDRAM £27.95

Subtotal : £193.20
VAT : £33.82
Shipping: £8.78
Total : £235.8 inc VAT

235.80 GBP = 444.720 USD
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Another sort of different suggestion: Used hardware

Daniel~ is replacing his entire rig, which is a 3200+ S754 Athlon 64, good ram, good motherboard, and a 6800GS etc etc

Even if you didn't want the GPU, if you hit him up for the CPU, ram and mobo, that could be a good value starting point for a build. Bradmax, Dave, Pitch and others here dump perfectly good hardware regularly with low miles on it.

Used doesn't mean junk.
Sorry dsio, but you missed the point. I have plenty of cash and if/when I need a new system it will be a Conroe with a DX10 card and Vista and a whole bunch of storage space.

This is more of a hobby project just to see if the whole forum can decide on what is best in an ultra low cost PC. Get some discussion going on it. And then in two weeks and two days to actually order everything, put it together, and see just what it can do.

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Sempron = decent performance. Celeron = no way in hell
beyound that I was thinking the best route would be an mATX board based on a GeForce 6100/ nForce 410 which has decent intergrated graphics. However everone else seems to be choosing dedicated video cards, crappy dedicated vidio cards but still dedicated vidio cards. has me kind of wondering which is the best route.
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For a cheap-as-chips PC that does light gaming and web browsing, definitely the integrated video, IMO.
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I have read some good things about that IG 6100...

If you do it you should do a nice review on it.
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For a cheap-as-chips PC that does light gaming and web browsing, definitely the integrated video, IMO.
I couldn't help noticing 939 integrated video boards with say, a 6000 chip, were here in the UK about £25 more expensive than the cheapest non-integrated board.
SO, if you add an extra say £5-£10, you could get a fairly decent card capable of some games. Even if this isn't a primary aim, it gives you the option and represents better value.
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I couldn't help noticing 939 integrated video boards with say, a 6000 chip, were here in the UK about £25 more expensive than the cheapest non-integrated board.
SO, if you add an extra say £5-£10, you could get a fairly decent card capable of some games. Even if this isn't a primary aim, it gives you the option and represents better value.
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Really? Hmmm...........I haven't looked at mobo prices recently, TBH, but I was under the impression that integrated chipsets were still cheaper than separate solutions. If they aren't, then you have certainly blown that argument out of the water.
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Well I have been looking at motherboards and prices. Also CPU prices. It is not that AM2 and Socket 939 are expensive, it's that Socket 754 are extremely cheap. And the cost diference between a interrated board with crappy video and a board with no vidio is only about $10. A GeForce 6100 board is about $20 more than a solution with no video, I don't think you can get decent graphics that will compare to the 6100 solution for that $20. And the GeForce 6100 gives you a PCIe 16x slot for expansion at a later date.
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I think you have it. It will be a decent performer and still have good upgrade potentiol.. The right board and CPU could net a decent OC also..
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Old 6th October, 2006, 12:49 AM
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Well EpoX makes a mATX GeForce 6100 board.

Is Epox any good? Are they OC friendly? Anyone know where I could find an officially supported forum on Epox Motherboard?
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Thing is I honestly don't know how EPoX IGP boards overclock. Generally IGPs are the last thing that overclockers are after, so they are usually overlooked. And technically I believe, we are not /exactly/ an official epox forum. We're like the EPoX enthusiast forum.
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Well EpoX makes a mATX GeForce 6100 board.

Is Epox any good? Are they OC friendly? Anyone know where I could find an officially supported forum on Epox Motherboard?
First job is to find one of their boards! They're quite elusive round these parts.

Even their Europe website hasn't had its product news updated since June.
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First job is to find one of their boards! They're quite elusive round these parts.

Even their Europe website hasn't had its product news updated since June.
Really? That is very interesting. Thing is there there are 3 boards that are almost identical. An Elite Group (ECS), a Biostar, or an EPoX. They are all $2 apart in price.

I would think that the Elite Group board will have no overclocking abilities and a limited BIOS but excellect stability and suport. Not sure about a Biostar. And now I have to wonder how much suport I might have if EPoX is showing signs of floundering.

So in all seriousness, which board:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813135224

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813123267

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138266

Edit: There is also a Gigabyte board availible

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128320
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Here is what I have so far:

BIOSTAR GEFORCE 6100-M7 Socket 754 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX $52.99 + $6.19 shipping

AMD Sempron 64 2800+ Palermo 1.6GHz 256KB L2 Cache Socket 754 Processor - Retail $40 shipped free

Patriot Extreme Performance 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) $59.99 + $4.99 shipping

Western Digital Caviar SE WD800JD 80GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $43.99 + $4.99 shipping

LITE-ON Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 5X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache ATAPI/E-IDE DVD Burner With LightScribe - Retail $36.99 shipped free

so far that's $233.96 + $16.11 shipping = $250.07

That leaves $150 for keyboard, mouse, speakers, case, cables, and maybe even put a little toward a copy of XP

Any sugestions on a cheap but cool case with a PSU? Any US vendor.
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Just a quick note.....

The only 2 Biostar boards I ever bought failed. I had to return to Biostar for replacement. The entire transaction took about 4 weeks for each one.

ECS or PCchips would be a better choice. I have had great luck with both...
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How about

PC Chips M861G MB $39.99
Semperon 2800+ $40.00
G.Skill 512MB RAM x2 $103.98
ePower EP-ZU-400W $19.99
NEC DVD+/-RW DL $28.99
Maxtor 40GB SATA $39.99
Spire Case $18.99
CTX 17" CRT $115.99
Mouse & Keyboard $5.99

Sub total $361.92
Shipping $53.01

Total $414.93

All from NewEgg and using Main Street Fairfax Virginia as ship to location

Using someone else may make it a bit cheaper

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This is what I will order tomarrow:

ASRock K8NF4G-SATA2 Socket 754 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $57.99 + $6.13 shipping

AMD Sempron 64 2800+ Palermo 1.6GHz 256KB L2 Cache Socket 754 Processor - Retail $40 shipped free

Patriot Extreme Performance 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) $59.99 + $4.99 shipping

Western Digital Caviar SE WD800JD 80GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $43.99 + $4.99 shipping

LITE-ON Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 5X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache ATAPI/E-IDE DVD Burner With LightScribe - Retail $35.25 + $4.99 shipping

Rosewill KMS-200 Black 104 Normal Keys 22 Function Keys PS/2 Wired Standard Keyboard Mouse Included with speakers $14.99 + $7.78 shipping

That's $252.21 plus $28.88 shipping = $281.09

The only thin I am missing is a case and PSU and Operating system. I am going to break my own rules here on the case, and that is why I chose this particular motherboard. I have a Flex ATX slim lime desktop case that I am going to try to shoe horn this mobo into. It has a 150watt Sparkle mini iTX PSU that I hope will work.

I chose that motherboard because it is only 9.6"x8.0" which is only 0.4" wider than a Flex ATX mobo. Also it is the only board in this class that uses a 20 pin ATX connector, all the others use 24 pin conectors. Plus this board does offer some overclocking features.

Only waiting until tomarrow to see if any brick and motar stores in the area have a sale on anything I need.

Also trying to decide if the Sempron 3100+ is worth the extra $10.
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I've been happy with all of the Asrock and ECS boards I've bought. I finally learned not to drop heavy screw drivers onto m'boards.
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It might be a question of which cpu overclocks better if it's worth the extra $10.
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Went to order everything and now the MoBo is out of stock

Tried to get it from zip zoom fly and I can't get it to come up

guess I have to wait
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