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Old 3rd October, 2006, 01:49 AM
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Is there such a thing as a $400 computer anymore?

Can you beat Dell in the low cost PC market? I very much doubt it.

But we can try.

I recently got a bonus at work and am looking for something fun yet productive to do with it. here is the challenge, build a complete PC (without monitor) for $400.

Here are the conditions that must be met. It has to be a box that will fill the needs of 90% of the computer users out there. Meaning it must be able to go online through an ethernet port, must be able to browse the net, play Java based games, play games like Hoyle, rip CD's and burn CD's and watch movies on. It must be a complete system including a legitimate OS, keyboard, mouse, speakers, as well as HDD, optical drive, case, PSU, mobo, CPU, cooler, RAM (atleast 512mb) and all associated cables. Everything must be from either an E-tailer or local brick and mortar. For the budget all tax and shipping must be included and mail in rebates do not count. It is a hard budget of $400.

Help me out here guys and lets see what we can do. I have no doubt that we cannot beat Dell's $279 AMD deals, but we sure as heck can try to work some low budget magic.

Now I work offshore so brick and mortar sales may be hard for me to get to But I will do what I can. You now have minimum 2 weeks and a maximum of 3 before I purchase all components. Lets see what we can do.

I await any and all sugestions on software and hardware. All other advise and discussion is appreciated.
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Do your rules say that you can't use an old case or power supply? Arrgh, this is a tough question! Maybe it's possible to buy a $400 mosheen from Dell or emachines? Might be too doggy, though.
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Old 4th October, 2006, 04:37 AM
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Nope Cloasters, rules are clear, everything must be new. No used stuff. That way someone following behind me could use it as a guide and decide to build or buy a Dell.
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Old 4th October, 2006, 04:50 AM
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OK here is what Dell Home has to offer in the Home and Home Office site. It is the entrylevel PC with a Celeron D 2.53 in it for $279. Of course that is with 256mb of RAM and other short commings. By the Time it is comfigured to meet the requirements I have set fourt it comes to $375.70 shipped.

Dimension B110
Date & Time: October 03,2006 10:39 PM CST

SYSTEM COMPONENTS

Dimension B110 Qty 1
Intel® Celeron® D Processor 325 (2.53 GHz, 533 FSB), Genuine Windows® XP Home Edition with re-installation CD Unit Price $424.00
Dell Home Customers: Save $50 instant off on this Dell Dimension B110!
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Dimension B110 Intel® Celeron® D Processor 325 (2.53 GHz, 533 FSB)
Operating System Genuine Windows® XP Home Edition with re-installation CD
Memory 512MB DDR SDRAM at 400MHz
Keyboard and Mouse Bundles Dell USB Keyboard and Dell Optical USB Mouse
Monitors No Monitor
Video Cards Integrated Intel® Extreme Graphics 2
Hard Drive 80GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive
Floppy Drive No Floppy Drive Included
Mouse Mouse included in Wireless, Laser or Bluetooth Package
Network Interface Integrated 10/100 Ethernet
Modem 56K PCI Data Fax Modem
Adobe Software Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 7.0
CD or DVD Drive Single Drive: 48x CD-RW / DVD-ROM Combo Drive
Sound Integrated 2.0 Channel Audio
Speakers Dell A225 Speakers
Office Productivity Software (Pre-Installed) No productivity suite- Includes Microsoft Works 8. DOES NOT INCLUDE MS WORD
Security Software No Security Subscription
Warranty and Service 1Yr Ltd Warranty and At-Home Service
Internet Access Service 6 Months of America Online Membership Included
Miscellaneous Award Winning Service & Support
Dell Digital Entertainment Starter pack- Basic and trial products from Corel and Yahoo
TOTAL:$374.00
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Its impossible, they use things so cheap that no manufactorer would target it towards individual resale. The lower end model's dont even have direct CPU cooling, they have a nice little rear case fan with a plastic duct leading to the cpu to effect both cpu and case = cheap as ****

Dell obviously buys and get such low cost on their products nobody could ever touch it. Is a dell a good buy? Imo, for somebody who just wants to surf and music and knows nothing about computers - yes. For the rest of us sane folk = hell no.
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Now on the Small Business side you can get an AMD Based system. Yesterday the entrylevel system was also $279 with a 3400+ Sempron in it. Now that deal is gone and the cheapest you can get is an Athlon 64 3200+. It also does not meet the requirements. When I priced the Sempron system it came out to $395 shipped. The only difference between that one and the one I am posting now is the CPU. It comes out to $438.68 shipped. However this includes no CD burning software which most Joes would purchase from Dell for an additional #29.95 + tax


Dimension E521
AMD Athlon™ 64 3200+, Genuine Windows® XP Home Edition

Unit Price: $409
BUILD MY DELL
Processor
AMD Athlon™ 64 3200+ edit
Operating System
Genuine Windows® XP Home Edition edit
Operating System Backup & Recovery
Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition backup CD edit
Memory
512MB Single Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz - 1DIMM edit
Hard Drive
80GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache™ edit
CD ROM/DVD ROM
48X CD-RW/ DVD Combo Drive edit
Monitor
No Monitor edit
Video Card
NVIDIA GeForce 6150 LE Integrated Graphics GPU edit
Sound Cards
Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio edit
Optional Ports
None edit
ADD MY ACCESSORIES
Great Deals on Dell Printers
None edit
Floppy Drive and Media Reader
No Floppy Drive Included edit
Modem
No Modem Option edit
Wireless Networking Solution
None edit
Speakers
Dell A225 Speakers edit
Keyboard
Dell USB Keyboard edit
Mouse
Dell Optical USB Mouse edit
Surge Protectors & Battery Backup
None edit
Additional Storage and Backup
None edit
Memory Keys
None edit
Accessories
None edit
CHOOSE MY SOFTWARE
Office Productivity Software (Pre-Installed)
No productivity suite- Includes Microsoft Works 8. DOES NOT INCLUDE MS WORD edit
Security Software
McAfee Security Center w/VirusScan, Firewall and Privacy, 90-day trial edit
Financial Software
No QuickBooks package selected edit
Enhanced Software for CD or DVD Burner
None edit
Security & Utilities
None edit
Finance & Productivity
None edit
Migration & Backup Software
None edit
Graphics & Design
None edit
PROTECT MY INVESTMENT
Dell Service & Support Plans
1 Year On-site Economy Plan edit
CompleteCare Accidental Damage Service
None edit
Dell on Call
None edit
Onsite System Setup
None edit
Training Books
None edit
Recycling
None edit
Internet Access Service
6 Months of America Online Membership Included edit
Purchase Intent
Purchase is not intended for resale. edit


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Corel Photo Album™ 6 Starter Edition - Organize and Edit your photos
Musicmatch by Yahoo! Music - Basic music software
Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 7.0
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Old 4th October, 2006, 05:15 AM
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Its impossible, they use things so cheap that no manufactorer would target it towards individual resale. The lower end model's dont even have direct CPU cooling, they have a nice little rear case fan with a plastic duct leading to the cpu to effect both cpu and case = cheap as ****
I think it is possible, and I intend to try. However I do agree with you 100% that they buy substandard parts by the millions for super cheap and put them together in a way no one who knows about PC's would approve of. However I intend to cheat.


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for somebody who just wants to surf and music and knows nothing about computers - yes. For the rest of us sane folk = hell no.
Yep. That is thr crowd I am going for. The ones who need to surf the internet, listen to music, burn some CD's, watch DVD's, unwind with some Yahoo games or Pogo, and maybe even write a paper for school, maybe even do some light photo editing. I think I can do all those things for less than $400 if I cheat. How will I cheat? Well Dell pays Microsoft ~$29 for a copy of MS Windows XP Home. I would have to pay $89 for an OEM copy, then I would have to pay extra for all the software needed to do what I want it to do. I, however, intend to use Ubuntu as my OS which gives me an extra $89 for hardware.
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this will obviously be either a Celeron D on an mATX w/intergrated graphics or a Sempron on an mATX w/intergrated graphics.

Anyone care to make a case for one over the other? Or make a case for a Sempron AM2 vs. a Sempron 754? Remember cost is a huge factor but as long as we come in under budget it's cool.
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Hmm think I got something.

Linkworld midtower
Biostar P4M80
Celly D 315
MSI FX5200 (DX9 compliance is what I was gunning for)
G.Skill 512 DDR400
Hitachi De(ath)skStar 80GB
Coolmax 400watt unit
BenQ DVD Burner with Lightscribe
TR2 Hs for CPU - 1 80mm case fan
Microsoft keyboard & mouse combo

total after shipping = $332
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LG Combo Drive Black IDE Model GCC-4522BK - OEM $22.99
APEX PC-115 Beige Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 350W Power $24.99
Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 ST3808110AS 80GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive $49.99
GIGABYTE GA-K8NS Socket 754 NVIDIA nForce3 250 ATX AMD $47.99
CORSAIR ValueSelect 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) System Memory Model VS512MB400 - Retail $56.99
AMD Sempron 64 2800+ Palermo 1.6GHz Socket 754 Processor Model SDA2800BXBOX - Retail $40.00
Microsoft Windows XP Home With SP2B 1 Pack - OEM $87.99
eVGA 064-A8-NV93-LX Geforce MX4000 64MB DDR AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail $21.99
Logitech 967502-0403 Black PS/2 Wired Standard Value Keyboard - OEM $5.25
Microsoft P58-00022 Black 3 Buttons 1x Wheel USB Optical Mouse - Retail $8.99

$367.17 + shipping (dont know your post code)
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Leenux is an option here. I'm serious, this isn't a gaming machine, which is the only thing linux won't cater for.

Burning software, media players, office, operating system, browsers, instant messaging, are all free, and are of a very, very high standard in Fedora core 6 (released in 7 days) and Ubuntu.

Linux is really the perfect OS for a build like this, and factors out all software costs.
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My Postal code is New Iberia LA 70560

So far we have one vote for a Celeron D and one vote for a Sempron 754. The Celeron D is cheaper but just doesn't quite have the power that the Sempron does. Also the socket 478 Celeron D does not have 64bit extensions. The Socket 775 Celeron D does wich makes it much more atractive.

So far I am liking the socket 754 Sempron 2800+. And at $40 shipped it is at a price point that is tought to turn away from on a stricct budget build. Now to find the perfect motherboard to pair with it. Both of you chose dedicated video cards which makes onboard graphics irrelevant, however, I think the onboard video in a GeForce 6100/ nForce 410 chipset combo would be better than both the solutions persented here. If I am wrong please let me know.

I'll visit the other pieces and bits after I have had more sleep.
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Go the Sempron! The 2800+ will easily make 2.4Ghz on stock everything, if you use a half-decent mobo.
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I manage to do the sub 400 dollar build alot. My last one came in under 400 bucks.

3100 Sempron
PC Chips Mobo
160 GB Hitachi
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I have been using this case for the last few builds I have done. Very sturdy and no problems yet.

It runs like mad. I was very impressed with the speed and so was the customer.
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Another sort of different suggestion: Used hardware

Daniel~ is replacing his entire rig, which is a 3200+ S754 Athlon 64, good ram, good motherboard, and a 6800GS etc etc

Even if you didn't want the GPU, if you hit him up for the CPU, ram and mobo, that could be a good value starting point for a build. Bradmax, Dave, Pitch and others here dump perfectly good hardware regularly with low miles on it.

Used doesn't mean junk.
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Done this one for the girls. Unless a guy wants a Pink PC.

Antler Pink Case with 350W PSU £17
http://www.ebuyer.com:80/UK/product/...rb/22196152092
MSI Socket 754 K8MM3 £29
http://www.ebuyer.com:80/UK/product/...rb/22196176967
AMD Sempron 2800 £28
http://www.ebuyer.com:80/UK/product/...rb/22196202277
Rondogs Corsair Value Select £28
Aopen MX4400 £10
http://www.ebuyer.com:80/UK/product/...rb/22196436906
Seagate Barracuda 80GB 7200RPM £28
http://www.ebuyer.com:80/UK/product/...rb/22196263718
LG GSA-H10ABA 16x16DVD±RW 5x RAM Dual Layer Writer Beige - OEM £22
http://www.ebuyer.com:80/UK/product/...rb/22196294434
Microsoft Windows XP Home OEM £29 eBay

Gigabyte Keyboard and Mouse £4.99
http://www.ebuyer.com:80/UK/product/...rb/22196348279

Total: £191
In US Dollars: $359

Edit: Better.

Consideirng in the UK we have to pay a lot more for our hardware, I think I've done rather well. A PC here for £191 is unheard of. The cheapest Dells are about £399.
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I didn't realise you were looking to buy. I guess you can dream about my low, low prices!
ebuyer are in the USA too but the prices will differ.
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I wont recommend my buy...I certainly wouldnt approve of a Celeron D.
However I just threw that out there as a "below specification" type price.
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Sempron = decent performance. Celeron = no way in hell.
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I thinks the Semprons are quite quick. that 3100 skt 754 I just built was actually surprising.
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