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Old 19th October, 2006, 03:54 PM
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Microsoft CPUs?

"The design effort will initially be split between research labs at the company’s headquarters in Redmond, Wash., and its Silicon Valley campus here. Tentatively named the Computer Architecture Group, the project underscores sweeping changes in the industry."

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Seems interesting gizmo!
In the past Cyrix (now is dead) produced also CPUs.
Microsoft is a world wide company thus its processors will be oprimized for Windows applications.
LOL I will add more estimators in OcBible for MS CPUs!!
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Cyrix IP pretty much disappeared into VIA if I remember correctly.
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Old 19th October, 2006, 04:27 PM
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I think you are right Aedan but the leaders are Intel (mainly) and AMD....
So a third company in battle will help us more --> cheaper CPUs.
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Actually, I can quickly see a situation where running a Microsoft OS on a non-MS CPU will result in performance 'penalties' due to running on 'non-optimized' hardware. The end result will be MS pushing Intel and AMD out of the PC market, or at least marginalizing them.
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LoL. except none of the upper brass @ microsoft, besides bill, has the mettle to pull such a move off. And bill's leaving. Seems liek a futile effort, if you ask me.

These are moves to push NV out, IMHO. Time will tell...but i usually tend to have these things right, and if not right, I'm usually close.

Lots of disgruntled NV employees out there working elsewhere.
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Old 19th October, 2006, 04:58 PM
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Yeah gizmo imagine the performance of non M$ CPU running Visual Studio applications such as our baby = OcBible.
Of course time will tell LOL will AMD share a new operational system?
Something like Windows killer cos the K5 was the Pentium killer (by AMD)...
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Cyrix IP pretty much disappeared into VIA if I remember correctly.
Some of its surprisingly good stuff still though. I've recently been using a new toy called an LBOT (Little Box Of Tricks), which is a VIA Eden 533Mhz, 512MB RAM machine booting off a flash drive, with no moving parts at all in it.

It runs its own custom version of linux with all the tools you would want from a small office server. http://www.nsi.com.au/products.asp?p=33

I must say, I didn't expect much, but as a baby server that does everything you could want, with very, very little points of failure, and no moving pieces, its a brilliant idea.
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Methinks Cyrix was before my time.

Maybe.

I have to agree with Gizmo on the compatibility issues. I, too, wouldn't be surprised if that's what happens.

Will be interesting to see a 3rd competitor in this market. =)
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It runs its own custom version of linux with all the tools you would want from a small office server. http://www.nsi.com.au/products.asp?p=33
There's a whole host of small systems running Linux. They include things like the Kurobox, the Synology range, and a bunch of other PowerPC based systems (Linksys, Buffalo and more). We should probably move this to a different thread though!
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Didn't the former head chingon at AMD say "real men have Fabs?" Hmm, MS could certainly afford a fab or three. I just wonder: Would M$ screw up a proc like they continue to mess up their OS?
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I wouldnt mind a MS CPU as long as it was only for thier videogames consuls. I dont think they be able t bring anything better to the table then AMD or intel.
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I think the cpu is more destined to end up in the xbox than home pc's tbh. They've used intel chips in the past and now ibm chips, having the designs in house would allow them to make the chip really do what they want it to but, they will have to outsource fabrication for some time.
Fabs take alot of time and alot of money to build, commission, and start manufacture.
Yes M$ has alot of money but i was always lead to believe its small change in comparison to the likes of intel and ibm (physical assests included in wealth).

As for cyrix yes they've been eaten up by via just like S3 were. They used to make good cheap chips branded 'Cyrix instead' cpu performance was good (they often overated the chip compared to intel pentium, ie a 100mhz cyrix would be called a pr133) however the fpu on the chips were legendarily weak. The via C7 continues the same weak fpu trend.

In the 5x86 era IBM and Cyrix worked together, I believe Cyrix designed them, IBM made them. Along with National Semiconductor.

Many names have fallen by the wayside over the years, yet some still exist in other markets.
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I agree with your console idea.
I don't think MS will try and oust out AMD and Intel. I just think that would be insane and MS can certainly be evil but I seriously doubt this would ever happen - it's verging on retarded.
Anyhoo, it'd have to wait until the next version of Windows and MS know if they tried it the negative publicity would be huge. Consumers love their Pentiums. I just can't take that idea seriously. No doubt they'll try and gain the edge in the competition, IF they go into the PC market, but they won't do this.


I actually think this is going to be for HTPCs. I think Ms may well be trying to develop a CPU that can run in a HTPC with no fans at all, and smaller more condensed circuitry with integrated graphics etc. So that HTPC boxes can really be small and start to be sold in Curry's / Comet PROPERLY to consumers - rather than geeks.
HTPC boxes are still waaay too expensive for what they essentially are designed to do. You can pick up a Freeview PVR now for under £200, so why would you have a HTPC? HTPCs may be dead now anyways? I don't know anyone who even really knows what one is, let alone owns one.
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Just think of the monolopy. Our OS runs better on OUR CPU. I can see it now. Microsoft will be selling entire machines at Worst Buy and making a killing because everyone is familiar with the name and thie Xbox line...Bill plans to rule the world are coming into view....
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If MS makes a CPU, I think is likely to be some medicore mid-range processor.

If so, this is bad news because it will take money from AMD and Intel, leaving them with less money to develop high performance CPUs.
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Maybe they are just scaring the geese. Doesn't the article say "to design and test chips?" I suppose there is virtual testing for circuits. They don't say "building" chips.
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Microsoft=Apple=Dell. 'Nuff said.
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Actually, I can quickly see a situation where running a Microsoft OS on a non-MS CPU will result in performance 'penalties' due to running on 'non-optimized' hardware. The end result will be MS pushing Intel and AMD out of the PC market, or at least marginalizing them.
I can't wait to see "Linux Optimized" !! then!!!
Maybe MS should do this.
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