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Old 29th July, 2007, 05:17 PM
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HD-DVD days are numbered

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Old 29th July, 2007, 09:18 PM
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So which, not that is seem to matter now, is technically superior?
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Old 29th July, 2007, 10:25 PM
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The sooner this whole mess ends, the better.
I've got a perfectly good 42" HDTV, and I can't even buy a decent HD player yet because I don't want to waste money on it if the other side ends up winning.

To Daniel: from what I've heard, blu-ray is superior, but they both play in 1080p with 7.1 surround, so it doesn't make much difference as far as I can tell.
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Old 29th July, 2007, 10:35 PM
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We're reaching the point where competing technology is so good, that the difference between competitors is insignificant.

Blu-Ray is winning, due to the influence of large companies, rather than our choices.
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Old 30th July, 2007, 01:00 AM
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First of all, this article came out of the media frenzy about an announcement that was taken the wrong way. Engadget clarified that Target is indeed NOT ceasing the sale of HD DVD players or movies but is rather highlighting Blu-Ray with an endcap.

That being said, let me preface this post with the disclosure that I own a HD DVD player. Now let me tell you why I purchased this player over a similar Blu-Ray player.

I did some initial research when looking into buying a new HD player in March. See, there's so much BS flying around about the difference between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD that it's difficult to tell which one is more preferable, if there really is a 'better' one. One large factor that I took into account was price. At the time, the cheapest Blu-Ray players were about $500. The cheapest HD-DVD players were a comparatively cheaper $300, with a rebate for 5 free movies to boot.

I also looked at selection of movies. What good is an expensive new HD movie player if there's nothing to watch on it, right? At the time (and up to this day) I believed the selection on HD DVD was superior. Both formats have fantastic exclusives, though there are movie studios who put out movies in both formats. HD DVD has The Matrix Trilogy, the Bourne movies, Batman Begins among many others. Blu-Ray has the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, Casino Royale, among many others. Some other notables like 300 and The Departed are on both formats.

Technically, both formats are quite similar. Blu-Ray can hold more information than a HD DVD disc, but so far that doesn't seem to come into play. There's a good technical comparison on wikipedia. Blu-Ray has some nice stuff like a special coat on the discs that make them scratch resistant and the possibility of higher-bitrate soundtracks (though they rarely are.) HD DVD also has some niceties such as no region encoding (finally) and the ability to put both a regular DVD encoded movie AND the HD movie on a single disc. In practice, you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between the two formats just from looks/sounds.

Currently, it looks as though I made my decision a little too soon. Certain major companies (a la Blockbuster) are backing Blu-Ray exclusively. However, in the meantime I'll buy my fair share of HD DVD movies and hope that in the future Blu-Ray and HD DVD combo players come down in price a bit.

Oh, and as for the merit of HD formats in general: I love them. The picture and sound is superb. You can easily tell the difference between a HD movie and one in standard def. Some of the special features they're coming up with are great, also. I'm not sure about Blu-Ray, but HD DVD has a neat feature where you can get a picture in picture screen that can display all sorts of things including a kind of documentary about how the movie was made. One of the usually nice but sometimes annoying things about HD DVD is the fact that the players have upgradable firmware and the manufacturers upgrade often. New movies come out all the time with new and improved special features, but this often means you'll have to upgrade the firmware before watching the movie. For example, The Bourne Identity came out this month with some great new features. However, in order to get the most out of the movie I needed to upgrade the firmware. This meant attaching the thing to my router (not too difficult) and spending 15 minutes waiting for it to upgrade (just a pain.) This isn't the first time I've had to do this, as I found out that after I bought the Matrix I had to do the same thing.
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Blu-ray vs HD-DVD is actually more about the storage media than anything else. They both use the same content protection system, they both use the same video and audio encoding system.

It is true that the virtual engine in Blu-ray and HD-DVD are different, which means some of the features might be different. Picture-in-picture support is about to become a requirement for Blu-ray players, but isn't there yet. Blu-ray requires slightly higher bitrates for Dolby Digital which might mean slightly higher audio quality when using Dolby Digital.

Blu-ray has the advantage that it's more extensible than HD-DVD. Whether anyone will bother to take advantage of that is something else though! Blu-ray's storage is definately higher than HD-DVD - TDK have already demonstrated 100GB Blu-ray discs.
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Blu-ray has the advantage that it's more extensible than HD-DVD. Whether anyone will bother to take advantage of that is something else though! Blu-ray's storage is definately higher than HD-DVD - TDK have already demonstrated 100GB Blu-ray discs.
No argument there. It's certainly an advantage that Blu-Ray can hold more information, though I don't believe that many (if any) movies use the entire space allotted to them on the disc.

One other huge advantage is the fact that many new releases tend to be lower priced on Blu-Ray than on HD DVD. I pre-ordered 300 from Amazon on HD DVD for $27, but a quick check shows that the same movie can be purchased on Blu-Ray for $24. Now, the HD DVD version has a couple more special features but I don't believe that explains the price discrepancy. After looking at a few new Blu-Ray discs, I think the pricing might be more of a studio decision. Many other new discs (Shooter, Casino Royale, Ghost Rider) are priced at the higher $27 price point.
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Price is often a big advantage...
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And the poorer the person buying, the bigger the advantage...":O}
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Price is often a big advantage...
This is why I have a DVD player!
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This is why I have a DVD player!
Go DVD, most of us already have one!
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I'll probably upgrade to one of the new formats, around the time games are out and I upgrade my computer.

Then maybe I'll look at upgrading the CRT TV I own, and if there is 1 format or a dual player, I'll look into it.



So maybe in about 5 years or so, which probably means whatever comes after
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