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Old 28th May, 2002, 05:16 AM
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A new memory company: Xtreme DDR!

There is a new memory company that looks to be very promising, Xtreme DDR.

You can check out a review of it here:
http://www.n3dt.com/reviews/mem/Xtre...tremeddr1.html

I think I may track some of this stuff down, it looks pretty good!
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Old 28th May, 2002, 05:30 AM
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So its pretty much the Samsung in my computer that i have now......... w/ a anonized heat spreader that i got at a local shop for cheaper then they sell it for....... LOL
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Lemme get this right...

They're "manufacturing" (I'm not convinced yet) 3200 DDR using Samsung memory rated as DDR2700.

I'm a bit concerned about the review though... Apparently Xtreme were using "B3" stepping memory. Last time I checked with Samsung, the B3 is the speed grade (133MHz@CL2, or 166MHz@CL2.5)

A0: 10ns@CL2 (DDR200)
A2: 7.5ns@CL2 (DDR266A)
A3: 6ns@CL2 (DDR266A)
B0: 7.5ns@CL2.5 (DDR266B)
B3: 6ns@CL2.5 (DDR333)

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Of course you guys are going to be a little skeptical about a new product. Hopefully a few more reviews will come soon. I'm going to try to get a stick of Xtreme DDR in the next couple of weeks and see how well it runs on my 8K3A. I'll keep everybody posted on how it turns out.
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Of course you guys are going to be a little skeptical about a new product. Hopefully a few more reviews will come soon. I'm going to try to get a stick of Xtreme DDR in the next couple of weeks and see how well it runs on my 8K3A. I'll keep everybody posted on how it turns out.
he's not being skeptical because it's a new product; he's being skeptical because it's specs are equal to that of slower products and it's mostly hype.
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he's not being skeptical because it's a new product; he's being skeptical because it's specs are equal to that of slower products and it's mostly hype.
I'm being skeptical cuz..
a) They don't manufacture memory (DRAM) per se. They are either buying in 3rd party DIMMs and fitting a "heatplate", or they (or a contractor more likely) are running an SMT assembly line.

b) The grade of the SDRAM parts onboard is 2700 (B3), not 3200(no grade yet).

To me, that's a little like buying in a 1800+ Athlon, changing the bridges, and sticking a label over it saying it's 2000+. After all, the RAM you are buying is DDR2700!

Of course, if you can demonstrate that their ram really is superior to other SDRAM with the same chips on it, then they may be onto something.

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a) They don't manufacture memory (DRAM) per se. They are either buying in 3rd party DIMMs and fitting a "heatplate", or they (or a contractor more likely) are running an SMT assembly line.

b) The grade of the SDRAM parts onboard is 2700 (B3), not 3200(no grade yet).

What is your opinion of companies like Corsair and Mushkin? I feel the same way about them as you do about Xtreme DDR.

I understand what you are saying and you are entitled to your own opinion. According to Mr Naturals review, performance is on par with the true Samsung modules which, needless to say, is impressive. There are quite a few people that like to have the guts of their rig look good as well as run good. Colored heatspreaders look very nice when you have a window and some lighting. Other people just like to be a little different and buy something that not everybody has.
I'm just trying to help a young company out by giving them a little publicity. Competition is good for the market and great for end-user.
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Aparently this whole topic got messy over at OC'ers.com

I'd prefer to avoid that here... I was not there to witness the unrest personally, but I'd like to see things kept to the facts.

One thing I will say is statements like "you are entitled to your own opinion" are not based in fact. I read some of Mr. Natural's review, and the problem isn't his work/review, it's with the now thousands in our hobby still smarting from the shaft they had received from OCZ memory modules that were advertised in a similar mamnner.

So far we haven't seen evidence either way this company is out to do the same thing, but to go around praising them as the next coming will likely continue to raise eye-brows.
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Aparently this whole topic got messy over at OC'ers.com

I'd prefer to avoid that here... I was not there to witness the unrest personally, but I'd like to see things kept to the facts.
Yeah that was a royal slugfest, let's not have a repeat here please.
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I'd prefer to avoid that here... I was not there to witness the unrest personally, but I'd like to see things kept to the facts.

One thing I will say is statements like "you are entitled to your own opinion" are not based in fact. I read some of Mr. Natural's review, and the problem isn't his work/review, it's with the now thousands in our hobby still smarting from the shaft they had received from OCZ memory modules that were advertised in a similar mamnner.

Well, everybody IS entitled to their own opinion. I do not want to start a flame war, I just want people to be aware of a new product.
I understand well that people think "OCZ" when they see a product such as this. Please just try to keep an open mind about Xtreme DDR. They are in no way affialiated with OCZ or any of it's subsidiaries. I don't think it's too fair to judge something before you try it.



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but to go around praising them as the next coming will likely continue to raise eye-brows.
I don't recall ever implying anything like that. I said the review looked pretty good, but I have not tested this product myself. Only time will tell...
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I'm being skeptical cuz..
a) They don't manufacture memory (DRAM) per se. They are either buying in 3rd party DIMMs and fitting a "heatplate", or they (or a contractor more likely) are running an SMT assembly line.

b) The grade of the SDRAM parts onboard is 2700 (B3), not 3200(no grade yet).

To me, that's a little like buying in a 1800+ Athlon, changing the bridges, and sticking a label over it saying it's 2000+. After all, the RAM you are buying is DDR2700!

Of course, if you can demonstrate that their ram really is superior to other SDRAM with the same chips on it, then they may be onto something.

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This sounds very much like my "get rich quick" scheme i thought of when Crucial PC-2100 was very cheap in price.

The plan was to buy in a load of cheap crucial, glue heatspreaders to it (so you cant get em off) then sell it for double the price as Cas 2.5 PC-2700.

I dont think there is anything illegal about doing that, although I felt it was very dishonest and obviously didnt go through with it.

I think thats essentially what this company are doing. You can buy "pre-overclocked" rocessors from some companys, if it wont run at the speed they claim you get your money back thats essentially what this company are doing with these samsung chips. As long as a high % of there product does what it claims to do and people are paying a price they think if fair then i dont think there is anything wrong with it.

The review stick obviously gave good performance if the product is upto that quality then its a win-win situation.

If im buying a product i like to talk to end users who paid there own money before buying anything, reviews on memory are particually difficult with the larger variations in overclocking performance than say a motherboard, where a particular model will tend to give the same performance across the board.

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I think most of us know that this will NOT turn into a slug fest

One says this & the other says that, AND just leave it @ that and make up your own mind.

Burn me once your fault burn me twice my fault.

To me a fact is only as good as the person/persons trying to prove it.

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What is your opinion of companies like Corsair and Mushkin? I feel the same way about them as you do about Xtreme DDR.
Oh, indeed! Corsair and Mushkin do pretty much the same thing.
Presumably Corsair, Mushkin and Xtreme all do some kind of bin sorting into speeds...

There's only Micron memory in my PC at the moment.

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I'm getting a few sticks of Xtreme DDR on Saturday, so I sould have some results to post on Sunday.
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I'm being skeptical cuz..
a) They don't manufacture memory (DRAM) per se. They are either buying in 3rd party DIMMs and fitting a "heatplate", or they (or a contractor more likely) are running an SMT assembly line.

b) The grade of the SDRAM parts onboard is 2700 (B3), not 3200(no grade yet).

To me, that's a little like buying in a 1800+ Athlon, changing the bridges, and sticking a label over it saying it's 2000+. After all, the RAM you are buying is DDR2700!

Of course, if you can demonstrate that their ram really is superior to other SDRAM with the same chips on it, then they may be onto something.

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yes, i was pointing out your point "b". i agree.
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two observations.

#1 XtremeDDR logo strongly resembles colors and styles of OCZ.

#2 that "Review" site obviously has Xtreme as a sponsor.

i'd like to see something unbiased.


erm.. nvm the above... apparently, it is... OCZ



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahaha Oh HELL no i won't buy it!
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erm.. nvm the above... apparently, it is... OCZ

What makes you say it OCZ?

I can assure you that Xtreme DDR is in no way affialiated with OCZ or any of it's shell companies.
Do a trace route and see for yourself:
http://www.xtremeddr.com/index.shtml

Who do you think raised all the havoc about OCZ lately? I'll give you a hint, it's the same guy that wrote the Xtreme DDR review. Do you really think that Mr Natural would try to bring OCZ down, then review their products?
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Dosent sound bad after reading a couple reviews- i MAY if i get some money buy a 256 of 3200-
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I can't get to the site - http://www.xtremeddr.com/

Why is it down? Anyone know?
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i think Cabal would know why the site's down...
he seems to be an employee of theirs.
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