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Razorfish 30th July, 2005 02:20 PM

New Hard Drive.
 
Im currently using a Western digital raptor which is fast running out of space! so i need a new SATA hard drive that will provide me with good performance but not cost an arm and a leg, looking at about £50, im gonna run the OS and some games on the raptor and use the new drive for general storage, and maybe a a few games im not to bothered about loading times on.

Whats out there?

dsio 30th July, 2005 02:42 PM

Maxtor 10s are getting great reviews everywhere. For the price of a 74GB raptor, you get a 300GB maxtor 10 with a 16MB cache. The lower end ones only have 8MB cache, but are fast as hell, and quiet too, and great value.

I bought a Maxtor 10 300GB 2 months ago, still waiting to buy a second one for a 600GB raid disk, but dont want to use it, because once I load it up, I can never raid it lol.

GrahamGarside 30th July, 2005 02:44 PM

You should be able to get a 160GB Maxtor 10 for that

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Produ...oductID=147139

Razorfish 30th July, 2005 02:50 PM

Plus 10 it is then!

whats NCQ by the way?

... command queuing?

GrahamGarside 30th July, 2005 02:52 PM

Native

dsio 30th July, 2005 02:53 PM

Its a SCSI trick that is now on SATA drives. It basically just means the heads move less. If it has 10 things to find, instead of finding them in order they were received in, it finds them in the order of how close they are to the head. So the head doesnt move from point A to Q then back to B, intead it goes A to B then to Q. Its more efficient, at the slight expense of some latencey from what I remember.

Razorfish 30th July, 2005 03:00 PM

Nice!

so these drive quick? hope there quiter than my raptor! its really doing me head in!

dsio 30th July, 2005 03:03 PM

Ive never had a raptop 74 but I did have one of the early model 36ers which from what people say are even louder. The maxtor 10 is silent next to my Athlon 64 HSF running at 7V on low mode. Thats how quiet it is.

Sweet drive, very quick.

Lazgoat 30th July, 2005 03:04 PM

I'm using a 160GB WD Caviar SATA drive, its deadly silent!

For the Raptor racket, use rubber grommets to isolate it in the drive cage, should quieten in up no end.

dsio 30th July, 2005 03:06 PM

Tell you what works even better than that is wet suit material. I cut a pair of strips out of an old wetsuit and stuffed them beside the HDD in the cage, and it made a massive difference. The thing it I dont even have to screw it in as the wet suit holds it about as firm as screws do.

That was for the raptor 36, but it still doesnt stop the click click click of the heads moving and the scratching sound.

Razorfish 30th July, 2005 03:14 PM

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Laz, rubber grommets are all thats making it bareable! :D

dsio 30th July, 2005 03:17 PM

They are bloody fast disks, but even that raptor will not be as fast as the Maxtor 10 NCQ in some areas. Once you RAID them, they blow the raptor to hell. I seriously dont know why I ever bought the 36. Its too small to do anything with, and sounds like a damned banshee when you start doom 3 or HL2.

Razorfish 30th July, 2005 03:18 PM

Mine crunches, like its munching a bunch or crunch-a-munch ;)

Aedan 30th July, 2005 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsio
Its a SCSI trick that is now on SATA drives. It basically just means the heads move less. If it has 10 things to find, instead of finding them in order they were received in, it finds them in the order of how close they are to the head. So the head doesnt move from point A to Q then back to B, intead it goes A to B then to Q. Its more efficient, at the slight expense of some latencey from what I remember.

Actually NCQ isn't a SCSI trick - you're thinking of TCQ there. They're similar in many ways, but TCQ almost always results in a loss of performance on a desktop. Just as an aside, many IDE drives have supported TCQ for years now.

For NCQ to work however, you *MUST* have all three of the following components.
  • SATA hard disk that supports NCQ
  • SATA controller that supports NCQ
  • SATA drivers that support NCQ

If you're missing any one of these, your system is not capable of running in NCQ mode.

Razorfish 30th July, 2005 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Áedán
Actually NCQ isn't a SCSI trick - you're thinking of TCQ there. They're similar in many ways, but TCQ almost always results in a loss of performance on a desktop. Just as an aside, many IDE drives have supported TCQ for years now.

For NCQ to work however, you *MUST* have all three of the following components.
  • SATA hard disk that supports NCQ
  • SATA controller that supports NCQ
  • SATA drivers that support NCQ

If you're missing any one of these, your system is not capable of running in NCQ mode.

Thanks for the info,

Ive just ordered the Maxtor plus 10 160GB with NCQ

will the sata controllers on my A8N-SLi support NCQ?

dsio 30th July, 2005 03:57 PM

Sorry, your right there. Too many CQs nowadays :)

Razorfish 30th July, 2005 07:26 PM

So you guys think the maxtor 10 160GB is a better choice than the Western Digital SE 160GB???

dsio 30th July, 2005 07:29 PM

The Maxtor 10 is in a class of its own right now. Definately the best 7200rpm drive on the market.

Razorfish 30th July, 2005 07:35 PM

Right thats good enough for me, should be here tuesday! Thanks guys!

GrahamGarside 30th July, 2005 08:44 PM

I'd agree, owning the 200GB model I have to say it would be my choice everytime. The Seagate 7200.8 and Latest Hitachi/IBM drives offer better performance by a few percent, and Samsung Spinpoints are quieter, but factor in price, performance and acoustics and the maxtor comes out on top.

Razorfish 30th July, 2005 08:54 PM

so its a happy medium between performance and noise.

aghastpumpkin 30th July, 2005 08:55 PM

Can I ask...I've never really seen the point in Raptors. Sure, their fast, but does it matter if your game loads up in 1 minute or 40 seconds?
And for the sake of money, it just makes a lot more sense to buy normal 7200rpm drives.
They are small, ludicrously expensive, and for what? Something loading up a bit quicker.
Am I missing something?

GrahamGarside 30th July, 2005 09:31 PM

The fact is they were fast when they came out, with your average drive managing around 40mb/s or so, and though expensive, they were still a lot cheaper than a SCSI solution so made sense for midrange server/workstations

But the fact is now that 7200rpm drives have progressed to the point where there is little to choose between them

Aedan 31st July, 2005 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrahamGarside
The fact is they were fast when they came out, with your average drive managing around 40mb/s or so, and though expensive, they were still a lot cheaper than a SCSI solution so made sense for midrange server/workstations

They never made sense for a midrange server - SCSI drives completely wiped the floor with them under the multi-user loading on a midrange server. Low-end servers fitted the Raptors well. The Raptors are tuned for desktop usage, rather than server usage. In terms of desktop usage, they're still one of the fastest drives, which is quite impressive given how long they've been out.

GrahamGarside 31st July, 2005 12:59 PM

Oh your just being picky as to what midrange would be :)

Aedan 31st July, 2005 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razorfish
will the sata controllers on my A8N-SLi support NCQ?

The nForce4 chipset should support NCQ, but you have to use the nVidia SATA IDE drivers if my understanding is correct.

Razorfish 31st July, 2005 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Áedán
The nForce4 chipset should support NCQ, but you have to use the nVidia SATA IDE drivers if my understanding is correct.

Great! thanks Áedán. ill have a go, im pretty sure ive installed the drivers.

Razorfish 2nd August, 2005 06:14 PM

Got the new drive in, everythings up and running so im dead, pleased! Amazing how much quiter it is than my Raptor! and 160GB of goodness waiting to be filled!

danrok 2nd August, 2005 06:21 PM

Does it seem almost as fast as the Raptor?

Razorfish 2nd August, 2005 07:04 PM

Not sure yet, but i installed sim city 4 on it straight away as i wanted the game installed but didnt want to waste space one the raptor and it installed really quickly and loads up quite fast too, whats the best software for findout how quick a drive is, and also how to enable NCQ?

Razorfish 2nd August, 2005 07:23 PM

edit, just found out how to enable NCQ, you have to do it in the device manger under IDE ATA/ATAPI Controller and then nVidia CK804 ADMA in the setting you can enable NCQ. Using winows speed test:

Raptor
Burst Speed = 98.8
Sustained Speed = 62.2

Maxtor
Burst Speed = 127.4
Sustained Speed = 57.4

dsio 3rd August, 2005 01:42 AM

Very interesting how it compares with the raptor. The bigger 10s with the 16MB cache would be even better too. These drives just beg to be RAIDed. :thumbsup:

Fishboy 3rd August, 2005 03:50 AM

Wow would you look at that:
http://cgi.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-300gb-...QQcmdZViewItem

Pretty cheap at the moment, eh? There were others for around the same price too.
Check out eBay, you can get some great deals for pretty much everthing.

Razorfish 3rd August, 2005 11:37 AM

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Loving it, been moving my MP3s over from the raptor to the maxtor and its rapid!

Quick picture for you...

dsio 3rd August, 2005 11:48 AM

The CCFL obviously makes it go faster. :)

Razorfish 3rd August, 2005 11:50 AM

LOL :D

just realized how blurred that picture is!

Razorfish 8th August, 2005 01:44 PM

These drives are so good, ive just ordered another to put in a Raid 0 setup. Im gonna use the raptor to run my OS and the two maxtors in Raid 0 for the games.

Razorfish 12th August, 2005 03:44 PM

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Well here all the drives setup in Raid, i dunno but there something pretty about three drives all stacked up like that.

dsio 12th August, 2005 03:48 PM

As Paris Hilton would say, "That's Hot"

I finally ordered a second Maxtor 10 300GB 16MB cache to do that RAID array. I promised myself I would keep the first Maxtor 10 clean until I got the second disk, but somehow a copy of Vista found its way on there :\ Guess its time to wipe it.

Razorfish 12th August, 2005 04:05 PM

What raid you gonna use 0,0+1, 1 and so on? It is so fast wipes the floor with the raptor and in sisoftsandra is only 10mb/s slower than a 2 x raptors in raid yet £50 cheaper, thats paying for my audigy 2


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