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Old 11th January, 2006, 12:57 AM
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Help get 7800GTX on AGP!!!!<!-- $thread['threadiconpath'] = -->

I've seen a petition in a uk mag which is being held on the following site:

http://www.petitiononline.com/7800AGP/petition.html

Last I knew the petition was at 5,473 and it requires around 10,000 to be effective, so come on guys, sign up and spread the word!!

Please don't leave negative posts saying it'll never happen or just upgrade to PCI-E, defeats the object of the post,
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Old 11th January, 2006, 01:00 AM
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Old 11th January, 2006, 02:07 AM
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evga wants to make one, so does xfx, but it wont be nearly as fast as its pci-e counterpart...

its inevitable you must upgrade in the future
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Eh, quit trying to hold back what needs to be. Forget the companies making money, they know that one day in the near future, probably now, they won't have any option of selling an AGP graphic card, and they need to switch their buyers over to PCI-E.
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jesus christ, stop bitching and sign up
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Old 11th January, 2006, 09:29 AM
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There is no point to this. If you can afford the card, you can afford another hundred to go from an Nforce 3 / K8T800 to an Nforce 4 / K8T890 / RX200 chipset.

If you have a K7 or a S754, your problem is that you are flogging a dead horse.
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Last time I checked, both nVidia and ATI made AGP to PCI Express bridges - weren't the nVidia ones used on some versions of the 6600 cards?

As there are already bridges, there's nothing stopping a manufacturer adding such a bridge chip to an existing 7800 series design. nVidia don't need to do anything. So, I surmise that either said bridge chips are very slow, or current manufacturers feel that it's not worth their time producing an AGP version.
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Old 11th January, 2006, 11:13 AM
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Last time I checked, both nVidia and ATI made AGP to PCI Express bridges - weren't the nVidia ones used on some versions of the 6600 cards?

As there are already bridges, there's nothing stopping a manufacturer adding such a bridge chip to an existing 7800 series design. nVidia don't need to do anything. So, I surmise that either said bridge chips are very slow, or current manufacturers feel that it's not worth their time producing an AGP version.
Nvidia keep a tight control over AGP production. That is why the AGP 6600GTs have a 100Mhz lower memory clock, why the AGP 7800GS runs a massive 75Mhz slower than the PCI-E version, and why they will not simply allow manufacturers to bake their own 7800GTXs.

They have gone out of their way to make PCI-E look better than AGP.

The primary PCI-E chipset that 7800GTX cards are used in is the Nforce 4. Nvidia makes money on selling Nforce 4s and intends to make people buy their Nforce 4 boards with the GTXs.

To make the Nforce 4 boards look better, they cripple the AGP versions. It works.

Also, selling AGP versions means that people will not buy another card for an SLI config down the track. Its simply bad bussiness making AGP for Nvidia and bringing the GTX to AGP would be sheer stupidity for them.
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Whats to say people are going to buy another card for sli if they have pci-e? remember you've got to have an sli apable board. And yeah it might only be $100 for a board, but what about people in the uk and other places where its more like $170 for a decent board?
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With PCI-E nothing says people WILL buy another card, but they may, while no moron will ever buy another AGP card trying to SLI it in a PCI slot or something.

And yes, you are right, someone might not have the SLI board. Which means why may have to go and buy a new motherboard, and then the second card. So Nvidia gets payed twice, when they otherwise wouldn't in an AGP case.
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I think my 6800U AGP is still a fine card. Will do me for another 6 months, by which time an nF4 board and 7800 won't be so expensive.
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So true. PCI-E doesn't have to be expensive. And once you've made the bridge, you'll never see AGPs smiling face again.
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I don't see the point in spending $500 on a gpu and using an old **** mobo, it time to face the facts and go PCIE.
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I'm going to play devils advocate.

I see the point in upgrading to a PCI-E mobo if you have the money to low on a 7800GTX AGP.

However, in many cases, this would include a new CPU and maybe a RAM upgrade too.
Possibly people sitting on an older 775, 478 or 462. Then again, if your going to blow $450+ on a GPU, should should be able to justify a non bottlenecking processor.
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There is no point to this. If you can afford the card, you can afford another hundred to go from an Nforce 3 / K8T800 to an Nforce 4 / K8T890 / RX200 chipset.

If you have a K7 or a S754, your problem is that you are flogging a dead horse.
jeez, i was using a K7 the other day, and they're not THAT bad, they're still decent chips despite being a few years old.
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Carrie Fisher is still decent despite being a few years old. I would still take the Natalie Portman model in a heartbeat, given its only a couple hundred more.
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I think DSIO just convinced me of his opinion.
I never thought of it in same light as a female.
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