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Old 13th March, 2006, 03:31 AM
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ATI roadmaps....

Source is evident from pictures, and highly reliable.

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Old 13th March, 2006, 09:23 AM
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80nm huh, interesting.
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80nm huh, interesting.
Is that an 8 or is it a mangled 9? I really can't tell for sure. To the best of my knowledge, though, nobody is building 80 nM stuff; the next process node is 65 nM.

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Old 13th March, 2006, 04:28 PM
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Is that an 8 or is it a mangled 9? I really can't tell for sure. To the best of my knowledge, though, nobody is building 80 nM stuff; the next process node is 65 nM.
I thought the same.

So I ran the image through photoshop and cleared it up a bit. It's not perfect, but one can make their own decision.
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Old 13th March, 2006, 04:33 PM
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Hmm.........well, it certainly is different from the ones that are clearly 90 nM, and I just did a quick Google and it looks like Elpida at least is making stuff on 80 nM process, so it isn't out of the realm of possibility. Rather like what happened with the 110 nM stuff, I suppose....
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http://www.techspot.com/news/19356-a...t-gen-gpu.html

I think that solves the debate.
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Old 13th March, 2006, 06:25 PM
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Certainly would seem to. LOL
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I reckon TS just tailed Dave to find their information...

Yeah, it does look like 80nm. It does leave me wondering how much of an advantage moving from 90nm to 80nm will be?
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Old 13th March, 2006, 07:38 PM
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I reckon TS just tailed Dave to find their information...

Yeah, it does look like 80nm. It does leave me wondering how much of an advantage moving from 90nm to 80nm will be?
I haven't done any research, so this is just guess-work. I suspect that 90 nM is the sweet spot for that process technology in terms of cost efficiencies, but that it can be pushed somewhat further if you are willing to take a hit on your yields, or spend a bit on incremental process improvements to offset the hit in the yields that would otherwise occur.

Like I say, though, that is just a guess.
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Seeing as how Samsung has moved to DDR2 production to 80nm. It seems quite possible. But before the end of 06? --I'm just questioning the real advantages of only lowering by 10nm. Yield issues with 65nm?
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Gpu makers tend to do process steps more frequently but make baby steps out of it.
Eg cpu's went 180,130,90, 65nM.
whilst gpu's have done in the same time frame. 180,150,130,110,90 and now 80nM.
They can do it because they are fabless companies and rely on what tsmc and co produce
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The improvments will be a modest clock boost. Seeing as 700 seems to be the reasonable limit for 90nm now.
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I hope ATI can make those new cards better then the xtx1900 for so much power it still left something to be desired.
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I hope ATI can make those new cards better then the xtx1900 for so much power it still left something to be desired.
It did?

Which version do you have?
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I hope ATI can make those new cards better then the xtx1900 for so much power it still left something to be desired.
Coming from an experienced owner of the card in question, NICE...
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I've used his PC a lot, I built it. I basicaly spend about 3 hrs a week on it. I don't know why but it gets a low FPS no matter what seetings it's on. It can be at lowest and still won't go above 40 in BF2? same with all other games. It also is missing some of the clarity. I'm presumming none of you have this problem?
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It was you that built this machine correct?

Ding! Found the problem!

What do you mean by clarity? Resolution? IQ?
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