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cadaveca 13th March, 2006 03:31 AM

ATI roadmaps....
 
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Source is evident from pictures, and highly reliable.

:rolleyes:

Pitch 13th March, 2006 09:23 AM

80nm huh, interesting.

dsio 13th March, 2006 01:59 PM

Good to see you back again Dave.

Gizmo 13th March, 2006 04:15 PM

Front Page, Cad! www.aoaforums.com

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Originally Posted by Pitch
80nm huh, interesting.

Is that an 8 or is it a mangled 9? I really can't tell for sure. To the best of my knowledge, though, nobody is building 80 nM stuff; the next process node is 65 nM.

Gizmo 13th March, 2006 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dsio
Good to see you back again Dave.

Same here.

Pitch 13th March, 2006 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gizmo
Is that an 8 or is it a mangled 9? I really can't tell for sure. To the best of my knowledge, though, nobody is building 80 nM stuff; the next process node is 65 nM.

I thought the same.

So I ran the image through photoshop and cleared it up a bit. It's not perfect, but one can make their own decision.

Gizmo 13th March, 2006 04:33 PM

Hmm.........well, it certainly is different from the ones that are clearly 90 nM, and I just did a quick Google and it looks like Elpida at least is making stuff on 80 nM process, so it isn't out of the realm of possibility. Rather like what happened with the 110 nM stuff, I suppose....

Pitch 13th March, 2006 04:40 PM

http://www.techspot.com/news/19356-a...t-gen-gpu.html

I think that solves the debate.

Gizmo 13th March, 2006 06:25 PM

Certainly would seem to. LOL

Aedan 13th March, 2006 07:35 PM

I reckon TS just tailed Dave to find their information...

Yeah, it does look like 80nm. It does leave me wondering how much of an advantage moving from 90nm to 80nm will be?

Gizmo 13th March, 2006 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Áedán
I reckon TS just tailed Dave to find their information...

Yeah, it does look like 80nm. It does leave me wondering how much of an advantage moving from 90nm to 80nm will be?

I haven't done any research, so this is just guess-work. I suspect that 90 nM is the sweet spot for that process technology in terms of cost efficiencies, but that it can be pushed somewhat further if you are willing to take a hit on your yields, or spend a bit on incremental process improvements to offset the hit in the yields that would otherwise occur.

Like I say, though, that is just a guess.

tiamat63 13th March, 2006 08:48 PM

Seeing as how Samsung has moved to DDR2 production to 80nm. It seems quite possible. But before the end of 06? --I'm just questioning the real advantages of only lowering by 10nm. Yield issues with 65nm?

keithwalton 14th March, 2006 12:42 AM

Gpu makers tend to do process steps more frequently but make baby steps out of it.
Eg cpu's went 180,130,90, 65nM.
whilst gpu's have done in the same time frame. 180,150,130,110,90 and now 80nM.
They can do it because they are fabless companies and rely on what tsmc and co produce

Pitch 14th March, 2006 12:52 AM

The improvments will be a modest clock boost. Seeing as 700 seems to be the reasonable limit for 90nm now.

madcatmk3 14th March, 2006 12:56 AM

I hope ATI can make those new cards better then the xtx1900 for so much power it still left something to be desired.

Pitch 14th March, 2006 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by madcatmk3
I hope ATI can make those new cards better then the xtx1900 for so much power it still left something to be desired.

It did?

Which version do you have?

madcatmk3 14th March, 2006 01:17 AM

not me one of my friends, it was one of the first out.

Razorfish 14th March, 2006 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by madcatmk3
I hope ATI can make those new cards better then the xtx1900 for so much power it still left something to be desired.

Coming from an experienced owner of the card in question, NICE... :confused:

madcatmk3 14th March, 2006 01:23 AM

I've used his PC a lot, I built it. I basicaly spend about 3 hrs a week on it. I don't know why but it gets a low FPS no matter what seetings it's on. It can be at lowest and still won't go above 40 in BF2? same with all other games. It also is missing some of the clarity. I'm presumming none of you have this problem?

tiamat63 14th March, 2006 01:25 AM

It was you that built this machine correct?

Ding! Found the problem!

What do you mean by clarity? Resolution? IQ?


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