Results of the Tualatin Celeron and P3 showdown

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Well, the eagerly awaited day for the new Tualatin has arrived (rather prematurely/unexpectedly). With 256KB cache we theorized little separated these Celerons from their P3 sisters. This is on a fresh install of XP Professional (not by choice, believe me ) with only the windows updated drivers and no real tweaking (will do that later).

I ran a couple Sisoft benchmarks for purely numbers sake, only time will tell if the performance boost is real.

First are the CPU scores, the celeron wins hands down.

**BE SURE TO check the later additions to this thread, for overclockers it will bring a smile. A gentlemen from another forum used dry ice to get one of these up to 1.79GHZ at 1.675V**

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The memory results, which are expected since the celeron only runs on a default 100mhz bus.

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Overclocked this chip really starts flexxing its muscle.
Unfortunately my motherboard only supports Tualatin voltages to 1.575V, only .1V higher than default, but even so the results are nifty .

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As expected, at a fully stable 120mhz bus, the memory scores improved.

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WCPUID likes my chip as much as my motherboard, which thinks it's a super-P3 300MHZ !!

I wish I had quad Xeons...

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One after thought. One day later found a new bios update from Abit for this chip . VH6T4F is now available

here.

[Random Nonsense]

WOW that IS respectable to say the least! im glad intel managed to pull this off.... from what i've seen overall the tualatins are a tad slower than TBIRD as the memory bandwidth is a problem for them, but if they get a DDR chipset..... they may very well beat tbird! price is intels real weak point though.... if they wanted they could undercut AMD no problem i think

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Originally posted by Random Nonsense
WOW that IS respectable to say the least! im glad intel managed to pull this off.... from what i've seen overall the tualatins are a tad slower than TBIRD as the memory bandwidth is a problem for them, but if they get a DDR chipset..... they may very well beat tbird! price is intels real weak point though.... if they wanted they could undercut AMD no problem i think

Very true, they have the resources and overhead needed to wipe AMD from the market if they created only top-notch products like this Tualatin... read the next posts .

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Here are the results of my VID PIN Mod, which was surprisingly easy once I learned from fellow overclockers which pins needed to be 'jumped'/wired.

The voltage got set to 1.725 to achieve these scores, any higher and the temps got risky (45C+ under load).

1.50mhz seems to be a sweet spot for this CPU, anything higher requires immense voltage increases to achieve. Posts at 1.60ghz with 1.775V but doesn't get past POST screen. The values in between are either windows errors or BSOD.

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Here are the Sisoft scores for CPU:

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The multimedia benchmark:

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And finally the okay memory scores... Randomnonsense was right, if (and they are working on these) motherboards that are DDR compatible are released, we could see these chips hang around for a while :

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VERY nice pinky want me to do same with a Palomino 1.53? see how it holds up against that tualatin? should be interesting! Intel could wipe amd out SO easily, i just hope they dont im a big AMD fan i would consider a tualatin if they werent so expensive! but i think they could be awesome for a dual CPU DDR system....... now i'd LOVE to see that.

[Kris]

I don't know... $116.. is pretty cheap... the "debut" price for the 1.2GHz Tualatin..

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Originally posted by Kris
I don't know... $116.. is pretty cheap... the "debut" price for the 1.2GHz Tualatin..

Note, it's called a celeron but is really just a P3 with extra zip and lowered temps.

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Originally posted by Random Nonsense
VERY nice pinky want me to do same with a Palomino 1.53? see how it holds up against that tualatin? should be interesting! Intel could wipe amd out SO easily, i just hope they dont im a big AMD fan i would consider a tualatin if they werent so expensive! but i think they could be awesome for a dual CPU DDR system....... now i'd LOVE to see that.

Oh, yes, a showdown is in order... but your memory scores will double mine probably.

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Too bad I have problems with a few applications running properly at this speed But I'll get the bugs worked out in good time

[Kris]

Pinky... I will be using the TUSL2-C Asus board with mine... 815eb chipset... what does the VH6 have? I wonder if that will ehlp my memory scores?....

I know there is an Asus DDR board for the Tualatin, but I just don't think the CPU is designed to take advantage of the added bandwidth...

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Originally posted by Kris
Pinky... I will be using the TUSL2-C Asus board with mine... 815eb chipset... what does the VH6 have? I wonder if that will ehlp my memory scores?....

I know there is an Asus DDR board for the Tualatin, but I just don't think the CPU is designed to take advantage of the added bandwidth...

According to Intel and what I've read today searching for vid pin info earlier, the Tualatin only has 1GB of bandwidth (which I guess means it's still a lowly P3, but that could still take advantage of DDR).

The Abit is a VIA 686B Apollo Pro 133A

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I should be able to get a few benchmarks done on monday when my heatsink arrives, its only a temporary one till my water cooling system is tested! $116 for it? that is VERY VERY good for an intel chip! looks like its made to compete more or less head to head with tbird.... so is the 512KB cache one aimed at palomino?