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Old 7th August, 2004, 04:08 AM
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Stupid socket 478.

I've been trying to figure out why my new P4 build wouldn't boot for the last 4 hours. It turns out one of the stupid pins on the stupid CPU was bent. After I unbent it, it booted up fine. I was playing around with everything. I must have uninstalled and reinstalled the memory about 50 times. My fingers are sore from it now. STUPID SOCKET 478!!!!
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Old 7th August, 2004, 04:25 AM
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mmmm.....bent pins...
the bane of everyone who knows that a computer isn't a case full of magic...
at least the CPU wasn't dead or otherwise useless...
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gotta be careful with 478 tiny little pins bro..hehe..
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At least the lg775 has pads, that would be nice for future proccessors.
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I cannot wait to get a dual core next year, it will have the pads too, and the pads will replace the pins soo for good, thankfully..
I have bent soo many pinss..lol
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With LGA sockets, you trade bent pins on the chip for bent pins in the socket. Granted, it is harder to bend the pins in the socket, but when they get bent, they are nearly impossible to fix.
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i thaught it was little sproingy thingies that were really hard to mess up?
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It is, and they are, but when they get messed up, they are near to impossible to fix. That's what I'm driving at. You have a choice between bent CPU pins, which occur more often but are usually fixable, or bent socket contacts, which occur less often but almost always result in replacing the socket (i.e. RMA the board for repair). In addition, the sockets are not able to handle a lot of cpu insertions.
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Totally agree with gizmo on this one, personally i think the old CPU pins and motherboard sockets are best! I can already for see a load of RMA'ed boards due to this problem. But i suppose the new LGA method is the "newbie" so im not gonna decide till i get my grubbly badger like paws on one!
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It is, and they are, but when they get messed up, they are near to impossible to fix. That's what I'm driving at. You have a choice between bent CPU pins, which occur more often but are usually fixable, or bent socket contacts, which occur less often but almost always result in replacing the socket (i.e. RMA the board for repair). In addition, the sockets are not able to handle a lot of cpu insertions.

I still think the Pad thingy is better..
But there are still people who prefer pinned designs..
To each his own.
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775 tiny pins on a mobo... I don't like it. Intel expects insertion rate failures starting at around 1 out of 20 which is the same rate as socket 478, but I get the feeling they're wrong. A good many of us are fairly well practiced at installing CPUs with pins and not the other way around, especially since the pins are gonna be even tinier this time around. I guess we'll have to get used to it though, since the future for Intel is going to be 775. I'm planning on upgrading a machine soon, and I'm seriously considering a 775 Prescott because of its overclockability. I'm sure there are reasons for the change in package, as in increased stability or less heat or something, and I hope it's worth it.
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LGA packages are cheaper to manufacture than PGA packages, because all you need is a solder ball as opposed to a real pin. That is the only reason I know of.
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because all you need is a solder ball as opposed to a real pin.

It is a highly conductive pad it is done with, solder balls would he the crap way of doing it, like stainless steel pins..
They will most likely be brass plated non coroding or gold plated..
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True enough, but the principle is still the same.
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if we had the tiny equip, I could get the the actual waffer chip and we could make one, but that would cost 750X more than to buy one..
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LGA packages are cheaper to manufacture than PGA packages, because all you need is a solder ball as opposed to a real pin. That is the only reason I know of.
Gizmo, i know what your on about, what you sounded like you were explaining was BGA, which are soldered to PCBS, LGA are as alex described. i got the two mixed up to at first and i work with the things!
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You think the Socket 478 pins are annoying, try unbending a pin thats almost dead center on an Opteron. I had to use a tiny pair of tweezers to get it.
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Oh man that sucks! you manage to get it to locate again?
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You think the Socket 478 pins are annoying, try unbending a pin thats almost dead center on an Opteron. I had to use a tiny pair of tweezers to get it.

Dat is el why za Intel went with the new T design..
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Dat is el why za Intel went with the new T design..
Darn sight easier to handle an Opteron and unbend a pin than it is to handle a whole motherboard and unbend a pin!
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