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Old 15th May, 2006, 05:27 AM
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Hey Cadaveca, have you worked out your crossfire woes as yet? you are giving my 7800GS a woody thinking it amounts to something with it's GFX score which is extremely impressive for outdated stuff and only 16 pipes. I just love obsolete equipment.


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link in sig. Figured out the problem was not a problem ,but a "bug" from having a dualcore cpu driver installed, and an ACPI tweak. Once windows updated, it removed the ACPI tweak, and fubared the dualcore driver.

Moved on to better...10k in 3dmark06 is a few points away...and only one card is barely overclocked...the other @ stock...no voltage mods yet...and I've dropped 50c off the stock load temps of the cards.


I agree that anything out in the last year has been quite good, and will meet most people's needs...but mine are still not met.

Intel has lost so much of the market now, i doubt even Conroe can pull them out of the hole they are in. If it wasn't for the Apple contract, they'd be sunk.
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Old 15th May, 2006, 05:39 AM
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I don't know about that... Intel still owns the mobile market in a big way, produces their own chipsets and IGPs, and even without Apple, Dell is hardcore intel despite the constant rumours about them running with AMD.

What they have lost, is the respect and patronage of overclockers, and enthusiasts, which is something that can kill you long term, as today's overclockers and enthusiasts are telling the "sheep" what to buy these days.

Server market is a different story. I'm working maintenance at the moment, and all the machines I work with are Opterons. They just are that damned good, and when you compare them to the Xeons, its chalk and cheese.

So who else is planning a "Netburst is dead" party?
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Old 15th May, 2006, 05:52 AM
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I actually see more of the mobile market dominated by MACs, at least locally. With more than 1 million people within 25kms of me, i think a got a good idea as to what's going on en masse. To me, the mobile market is dominated by PDA's and PSP's.
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I actually see more of the mobile market dominated by MACs, at least locally. With more than 1 million people within 25kms of me, i think a got a good idea as to what's going on en masse. To me, the mobile market is dominated by PDA's and PSP's.
Well, yeah, but Canadians are weird. (ducks and runs)
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Old 15th May, 2006, 06:13 AM
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The other fact being Intel sells CPU's by default. I know of many computer outlets in this area that carry "Intel Inside" only, and regardless of what you throw at them...if it isnt Intel, they wont buy.

Another thing, Intel can never sink, becuase of what DSIO said....Dell DUDE!
Idiots buy computers...do they care whats in them? (80% dont) as long as its runs to their needs (which usually arent much)

The thing is that AMD can't handle(which could soon change) that high demand for CPU's that Intel seems to roll out. This is why they sell chips, AMD is physically unable to provide to the rest of the market share.

EDIT: Dave has a point. I'm even seening more Mac users. Compare really: Most notebook users are people who
do small multi-media, and alot of word processing/internet surfing. Mac provides stability, user friendliness, preformance
and a considerable lack of (PC) needed programs (ala AV or SWR)....the only problem....$$$$$
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We'll soon see. It's AMD's to lose and if they can't top Conroe then Intel have a good chance of regaining lost ground.

Are those DD waterblocks Dave?
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Old 15th May, 2006, 06:22 AM
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I don't think you ned to worry about that, my friend . But all things in due time.


The fact that there is so much exposure about these cpu's and thier performance prior to launch show what kind of "marketing frenzy" intel is trying to produce, and they are doing quite a good job at it. But methinks it's because they are running scared.

Let's face it...the K9 DDR2 tech AMD has been working on since at least 2003, with samples then. I think they have been able to keep things quite comparable to the rest of the market as time has gone by....

The DDR2 memory frequency used by AMD shows greatly how well thier new core performs...besting performance of the current gen with a much slower bus.

And yes, DD blocks...the tyee crossfire set. i chose not to go with the voltage regulator attachments for now as the current heatsinks match the ram . Dropped load temps down to 38.6c on the hotter card, from 89.7 on stockcooling and AS5. as a result board temps had dropped to 36 from 58 and Vreg to 48 from 77, although i have added fan blowing accross the cards to help the chipset fan get air. Loop is MCP655, A64TDX, BIP(120mm), card1, card2, BIX3, back to pump. Having the small rad in between the cpu and cards has done wonders.. might add chipset cooler if it fits. Gonna squeeze it all, including 2 psu's, into a gigabyte aurora.
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I don't think Conroe and Merom are the magic bullet that Intel needs to suddenly regain the market-share that they have been losing to AMD, but they will certainly slow the hemorrhaging that has been occurring of late.

However, anyone who thinks Intel is finished (with or without Apple) is not objectively evaluating all the facts, IMHO. It's going to take more than a few bad quarters for Intel to be really hurting. True, they are starting to feel some pain, but at this moment it is a nuisance, not life threatening.

Now, don't get me wrong; I would love nothing better than to have AMD put some real hurt on Intel, not because I'm an AMD fan-boy, but because the more evenly matched the two competitors are (within reason) the more the consumer benefits. But Intel has some serious advantages over AMD, chief among this is, as Cad has mentioned, manufacturing, and as Dsio has pointed out, the breadth and depth of their product lineup.
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what do you guys think this release is gonna do for the market as far as pricing on all cpus?
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Old 15th May, 2006, 09:55 AM
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Its going to make ours worthless, thats what. Though some are already worthless
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Your CPU, not so much.

Being 939 and a decent overclocker. Mine however being Skt754. :'(
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Having the small rad in between the cpu and cards has done wonders.. might add chipset cooler if it fits. Gonna squeeze it all, including 2 psu's, into a gigabyte aurora.
Good thinking there, glad you finally sorted out your "bug" with Crossfire, now if only Brad can do the same.
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Gonna squeeze it all, including 2 psu's, into a gigabyte aurora.
That's likely to be quite a trick. I'd like to see pics when you're done, dude.
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I'll do a full project log. It's gonna take me some time, as i am in the process of opening a new store, but i got the final parts a couple of days ago.


Back on topic:

I don't think anyone has really considered that part of the reason AMD is not as large of a force in the market as they could be...and why we see less of a marketing presence from them...

The majority of thier profits are being dumped back into the fab @ dresden. We've had a thread or two here on that fab, and it's a site to behold. Once it up into full swing...what will be thier next focus? I think this is what troubles Intel, and why they are running scared.
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Let's hope that AMD's Fab 30(if that's the huge one in Dresden) will be cranking out S939, S940 and AM2 processors in short order.

Best of luck with your new shop, cadaveca!
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Thanksm Cloasters!

AMD's core details:

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0. Native quad core
1. Hypertransport up to 5.2GT/s
2. Better coherency
3. Private L2, shared L3 cache that scales up.
4. Separate power planes and pstates for north bridge and CPU
5. 128b FPUs - see 14,15
6. 48b virtual/physical addressing and 1GB pages
7. Support for DDR2, eventually DDR3
8. Support for FBD1 and 2 eventually
9. I/O virtualization and nested page tables
10. Memory mirroring, data poisoning, HT retry protocol support
11. 32B instead of 16B ifetch
12. Indirect branch predictors
13. OOO load execution - similar to memory disambiguation
14. 2x 128b SSE units
15. 2x 128b SSE LDs/cycle
16. Several new instructions

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"Native quad core," I thought that the top of the line AM2's and S939's were dual core. "Memory disambiguation" would come in handy. Are the new dual core S939s and AM2s actually quad cores simply waiting for implementation? This would be a smart move, not to mention a fantastic bit of what will be a major saving on engineering. B-but who will need a four core processor? I know, stupid question.
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Quad core opterons are basically minature versions of god made in Dresden. Just another nice big dagger to twist into the side of Xeon.
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