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Old 8th March, 2006, 09:13 PM
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Intel Conroe

Well its only a few months to go now before intel's answer to the X2 finally gets here in the form of the conroe based cpu (desktop version of the yonah)
I've just seen some benchmarks of it from intel IDF and lets just say its quick, really quick. Running at 2.66GHz with a 1.066GHz fsb the dual core chip was in some situations 40% quicker than a Pentium D 950! (3.4GHz) They also put it up against an overclocked fx60 (clocked at 2.8GHz) and it was 15-30% quicker than the fx in games, upto 41% faster in f.e.a.r and some 30% faster at divx encoding.

Apparently most of the gains is from a tweaking of the way the chip handles sse* instructions in that it can do them all in a single pass where as before it used to take at least 2 passes.
Any sse optimized application is going to see a leap in performance and to think this was the 2.66GHz chip, on release there will be a 3GHz extreme edition chip.
oh and power consumption is down 40% as well to 65W TDP.

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Old 8th March, 2006, 09:19 PM
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http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=4843&page=1

Looks impressive.
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It would seem there are some questions about the accuracy of Intel's benches. Among other things, the BIOS version used on the AMD board, the driver set used for the video card, and the test setup are being questioned. Even Tom's Hardware is stating that, at this point, what they really have is little more than hype; there's precious little in the way of hard data to hang your hat on.

That being said, even if all Conroe does is get Intel back even with AMD, that is still a good thing, as it either spurs AMD to build something better, or it causes the prices to come down some more due to competition. And if Conroe is even half as good as Intel claims, then it ought to at least bring Intel back to parity with AMD in the performance arena, at least until AMD shifts to 65 nM, but by the time they do that, Intel should be at 45 nM.

All in all, things should be real interesting this year. Go Intel!
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The BIOS used on AMD's rig is indeed out of date.

However, the main revisions seem to be the FX60 recognition and some CnQ tweaks.

But still, we are comparing a next gen CPU to current tech. Either way, the results seem promising.
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I do agree that the intel controlled tests could be a little suss, the site i originally saw the benchmarks on (anandtech) has posted an update to adresses questions people had about the testing. I believe they managed to get some more time with the rigs and updated the bios on the a64 machine, and sorted out a ram timing issue on the intel one. They also brought a thumb drive with data for there own tests and ran tests that are usually pro-amd and yet they increased intel's lead in the test to in some cases more than 40%
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Sounds good, especially seen as i'm not with the whole AMD thing heh heh.
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I do agree that the intel controlled tests could be a little suss, the site i originally saw the benchmarks on (anandtech) has posted an update to adresses questions people had about the testing. I believe they managed to get some more time with the rigs and updated the bios on the a64 machine, and sorted out a ram timing issue on the intel one. They also brought a thumb drive with data for there own tests and ran tests that are usually pro-amd and yet they increased intel's lead in the test to in some cases more than 40%
None of the numbers I saw show an increase of 40%, although I know that is what a lot of rags are reporting. The best increase of performance by Intel over AMD was just a bit over 30%. On average, it was about 20%.

Regardless though, it is fair to say that Conroe has a commanding performance edge over AMD's current offerings. However, it will be interesting to see what AMD responds with, since Conroe is still something like 6 months from release.

BTW, that in itself is something I find VERY interesting. The chip is 6 months from release, but we've got platforms and engineering samples that are ready to go? Anybody here thinking that Intel might release ahead of schedule?
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.... Anybody here thinking that Intel might release ahead of schedule?
I concur. I think Intel is ramping up marketing efforts, and possibly trying to dump older CPUs off their shelves...

OTOH, I'm really excited about conroes... Not sure which way to go, but I expect to have to upgrade 3 -4 machines sometime this summer. DDR2, AM2 and PCIX are big variables leading to big expenses. Having a viable alternative will present more opportunities to get better performance for the buck.
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40% was indeed abit over optimistic, its that much faster than a pentium d 950 not the fx, although this test comes close http://img.hexus.net/v2/internationa...onroe/fear.png

The chip is a Q3 part which puts it in the July - september time frame which is 4-7 months away I wouldnt be at all surprised if they show up early since a) silicon is working, b) no new chipset / mother board is required it will work on the 975 and the soon to be released 965 chipset as well.
The last few years intel have a habbit of releasing a new product towards the end of april / early may time frame. In 2003 it was the northwood c and the 875/65 series, and in 2004 it was the prescott and the 900 series chipsets. I do believe there is hughe price cuts coming on the 900 series cpu's in april
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Now are the 900's schedualed for Discount or phaseout???
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Discount, I seem to remember reading somewhere that the new core based chips are expected to take a 10% share of intel cpu's shipped in Q3, upto 20% by the end of Q4.



list of price cuts

http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20060213PR218.html
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well as far as i know...the 2.66 they use will not be the only release..there will also be a 3.0 out on its release, so maybe that is what they are working on
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http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2738&p=1

A very interesting read.
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Interesting to see how the AM2 socket will be work out compared to Intel's new dual-core chip.
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Thanks for the link, Pitch. It is a very interesting read. Pardon my pessimism, I think that AMD2 isn't worth thinking about, even if Conroe wasn't coming down the pike. Shame on AMD, Socket 939 is good enough.
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http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/news.php?tid=587650

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I'm speechless, my Asian is extremely close to nonexistent. But the comparison graphics are impossible to miss. Even if they are lying by 50% I'm getting a yen for a Conroe box.
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that is one quick chip, they are running that with an extreme fsb but still isnt the first XE conroe going to clock quicker than that! 3.33GHz on a 1066 (266) fsb i believe
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I might add that that's a 30% overclock on air cooling.
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Conroe comes.
http://www.aoaforums.com/forum/383774-post4.html



IF this release has MY attention, it should have yours as well. I hate Intel.

But Conroe comes...VERY soon.
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