1.7 P4 vs 2.2 Celeron

[RussianMissile1]

Hello everyone, long time no see.

I recently acquired an old dell system with a 2.2ghz celeron in it. I also happen to have an extra 1.7ghz P4 laying around.

This is going to be the replacement system for my mom. What she mainly uses it for is to stream TV shows over the internet (~600kb quality)

So the question is, which processor would be better for this task?

[ccperf721p]

I think they would be pretty much even. I'm working from memory here but I believe the P4 had a 256K L2 Cache and the celeron had a 128K L2 so the difference in clock speed would be negated by the extra cache.

[Samuknow]

Run some benchies. I on certain tests the raw clock speed will win. Others the cache will pull the p4 ahead.

[Gizmo]

Actually, I'm thinking the P4 might be slightly better, even given the difference in clock speed, but not because of the cache.

Doesn't the P4 have better memory bandwidth than the Cellery? If so, that will might have a significant effect in this application.

[Daniel ~]

Glad to see your alive and ...hopefully well RM1? ":O}

[robbie]

Pop in the 1.7 and overclock it some. Hell, just put it to 1.8.

[booman]

I would agree with the P4. Celerons are sooooo cheap and low budget. the P4 will probably perform better even though the clocks are slower. Do you know the speed of the Bus?

[cloasters]

The bus that nearly took my head off with its curb side mirror? Thank you Mr bus driver, now I'm awake. I lean toward the P4.

[RussianMissile1]

It was an old mini-dell I found at work.
Windows would freeze during install so I took it back.

[cw823]

I know I'm late to this parade, but I'm thinking that never would've worked anyway, because the only P4 1.7s that they made were socket 423, and a 2.2ghz Celeron was probably s478.

So maybe it didn't matter at all anyway?

[candle_86]

depends honestly if its a northwood based celeron vs a willimate P4 the celeron is faster, as the L2 size is the same, and pipeline stage is identical. Now 1.7 Northwood P4 (rare) vs Celeron is faster and willimate Celeron vs P4 Willimate the P4 will be faster. The willimate cleron has 128k L2, and is thus starved. Now Northwood based Celeron has 256k L2 just like the Willimate P4. And both have a 21 Stage pipeline. Hope that helps

[cw823]

Originally Posted by candle_86

depends honestly if its a northwood based celeron vs a willimate P4 the celeron is faster, as the L2 size is the same, and pipeline stage is identical. Now 1.7 Northwood P4 (rare) vs Celeron is faster and willimate Celeron vs P4 Willimate the P4 will be faster. The willimate cleron has 128k L2, and is thus starved. Now Northwood based Celeron has 256k L2 just like the Willimate P4. And both have a 21 Stage pipeline. Hope that helps

Did you read my post? Should I repeat the whole thing?

he said he had a s478 Dell. So why go into the ins and outs of a processor that wouldn't even be compatible with his system?

Maybe I should make it more simple.

He has socket 478 system
He asks about socket 423 processor.

Unless you have 478 - 423 adapter.....

[candle_86]

wrong there are 1.7ghz chips for 478, there rare as I said, they where OEM only and are not easy to come across, im a PC tech and have seen maybe 2 at most, but they exist, just like the 1.6 and 1.8 478 chips, but you are right the 2.2 celly can only be 478. Also to note doing some digging if the 1.7 is the rare oddball OEM 1.7 its also a northwood. so if its a P4 Socket 478 its faster than the celly. And no you wont find the 1.7 OEM chip anywhere such as wikipedia or even intels own list, kinda like a few other chips from both AMD and Intel that dont exist. Such as the AThlonXP for s754, though in truth these are semprons in ES form before the name was changed but a few ES AthlonXP Socket 754 do exist.

[Repo Man]

I had a S478 1.7 P4 from a computer at work. 400 MHz bus, 256K L2. I gave it away on Craigslist. I'd replaced it with a 2.6 Celeron, which wasn't that much faster.

[candle_86]

nope it wouldnt 256k L2 cripples netburst