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Old 6th July, 2015, 05:29 PM
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Question Oldschool - very special bios settings - help, explain, pls?

Thbe mainboard for Intel Socket 775 CPU's, ASRock 775Dual-VSTA (yes, it can run AGP and PCIe GFX cards and DDR / DDR2 rams) bios settings are somewhat overhelming for me.

So I would kindly like to ask fellow overclockers - could you pretty please at least suggest me, what are these?!

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And I mean specifically these, that I have no clue about them at all:
AGP Staggered Delay
AGP GADSTB Output Delay
AGP 3.0 Calibration - yes, it is really a on the fly calibration and it should be on
AGP 3.0 DBI Function - Dynamic Bus Inversion Output clean the noise in AGP signal, on
DBI Output for AGP Trans. - Dynamic Bus Inversion Output clean the noise in AGP signal, on
DBI Output for FRAME Trans. - Dynamic Bus Inversion Output clean the noise in AGP signal, on
Pipeline DRQCTL - increase the memory bus bandwitch
GTL Control
3V66 group delay
DRAM Drv DQS
DRAM Drv CS
DRAM Drv DCLKA,B
DCLK Output Duty Ctrl
CLKBUF DDR group delay
CLKBUF FB_OUT delay
CLKBUF DDR Drv
CLKBUF FB_OUT Drv
Echo TRP Disable
PCIE Downstream Pipeline
PCIE VC1 Request Queue

Plenty of interesting settings, right? Sadly many I cannot find even using Google, what the hell they mean... Could someone experienced enlighten me, please?
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Old 7th July, 2015, 03:30 AM
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Hello good folks at AOA, it would be great if you could give trodas a hand here. Thank you. The first Socket 775 mainboard was sold in 2004? Tempis Fugit. (sp)



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Old 7th July, 2015, 08:03 AM
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Well, it is and oldtimer, but it is fun and I wonder, who can explain me the settings. So far I get that I should enable Pipeline DRQCTL option for higher memory bandwitch from this old Massman article:
[M] Tweaking the fastest AGP Based System - Part 1
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Please enable the first option (Pipeline DRQCTL) as it gives noticeably higher memory bandwidth.
No explaination what it does, tough. From the shortcut I quess that it probably enable better clock control drive, so maybe it just adapt the transfers to clock settings (FSB:Ram divider) better...

For classic memory timings options it good this page for oldschool stuff:
Tweakers.fr

For more recent stuff Asus put a good ROG-related guide there:
ASUS Crosshair V Formula BIOS Guide - Overclocking
...but anyone with other mainboards with same setting could make a good use of that (register = get pictures).

If I find more info, I will post it.
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I got recommended this page for expert bios settings:
Tech ARP - The Definitive BIOS Optimization Guide

And yea - this is a great guide! Not all settings I want to know are there, but finally I get a grip on what are the AGP v3 Calibration (yep, it calibrate the bus on the fly and therefore it is good for overclock, even my bus speed stays a 66MHz) and why it should be ON. Also I understand now what is the AGP DBI function (Dynamic Bus Inversion Output that clean the noise in AGP signal thx to switching, good is ON for all the functions).

Sadly there are still options that are not explained - for example the AGP Staggered Delay and the AGP GADSTB Output Delay, but at least I understand something more now


BTW, what IS interesting is, that I cannot seems to find, witch AGP version if the HIS Radeon 9600 XT interface. I only finding the AGP8, yes, but that is not what I want to know. I want to know, if this is compilant with AGP v3.0 specs. Not that its speed is AGP 8x! Grrrrrrrrr!!!
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IIRC 8x was only possible on AGP 3.0 cards, so if it is AGP 8x, then it is automatically 3.0.

AGP 1.0 was 1x and 2x
AGP 2.0 added 4x
AGP 3.0 added 8x

2.0 was backwards compatible with 1.0 and most cards implemented at least 2x support in addition to 4x. 3.0 was backwards compatible to 2.0 (usually), but IIRC it was VERY rare for a 3.0 card to work in a 1x or 2x slot (even though technically the standard made provision for it, the support was not actually required). This is the reason most AGP 8x cards are labeled as AGP 4x/8x.

All versions of AGP specify a clock signaling speed of 66 MHz

AGP 1.0 specifies a signaling voltage of 3.3v and either 1 or 2 transfers per clock (1x or 2x), for an effective transfer rate of 267 MB/s (1x) or 533 MB/s (2x).
AGP 2.0 specifies a signaling voltage of 1.5v and up to 4 transfers per clock (4x), for an effective transfer rate of 1066 MB/s
AGP 3.0 specifies a signaling voltage of 0.8v and up to 8 transfers per clock (8x) for an effective transfer rate of 2133 MB/s

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Thank you Gizmo, very helpful!
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Yep, that does answer the HIS Radeon 9600 XT question, whatever it is AGP 8x or not Thanks, Gizmo.

Now I get work on the rest of the crazy settings...
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