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Rondog 7th February, 2005 11:52 AM

Celeron Motherboard
 
A mate of mine wants me to build him a 2.8 Celeron, will this chip just go on any socket A motherboard?

SteveI 7th February, 2005 02:21 PM

Nope... Sounds like you have a prescott based celeron. It may need a socket 478 board. Keep in mind that Intel has been using the celeron name for years, with many completely different processors. There are at least 5 different interfaces. Make sure you know which one you have before you buy the board for it.

oldest to newest:
PPGA
FCPGA
socket423
socket478
socket T

Because you called your celeron a 2.8 is why I think it is a s478. (I'm guessing so, doublecheck before you buy.)

If I am right, there are many good s478 boards out there to choose from.

Good luck.

BTW: socket A is only for AMD cpus.

GrahamGarside 7th February, 2005 03:05 PM

it will be either a northwood or prescott based celeron both of which need socket 478
try and talk him into a 2.26 or 2.4ghz chip as well, these are the better overclockers, 50% is quite common

oh and stevei you missed out slot 1 :)

SteveI 7th February, 2005 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrahamGarside
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oh and stevei you missed out slot 1 :)

oh yeah... easy to forget the first celerons... "CPUs are so fast, they don't need cache anymore!" :eek: Yeah.... right! :rolleyes:

Oh, and I didn't realize they made NW celly's at 2.8...

GrahamGarside 7th February, 2005 07:06 PM

I don't know if they do actually, you might be right they might only go to 2.6ghz

Rondog 19th February, 2005 02:26 AM

Yeah, i meant socket 478, sorry. He doesnt want to overclock (yes i know, ive talked to him about it ;)) so he wants to go as high as possible standard.

SteveI 19th February, 2005 02:36 AM

You need to make sure you get a s478 board that is "prescott ready". Prescott based cores, run hotter, and draw more power than northwoods.

Running stock, you don't have to worry about fsb, but I'd still recommend a i865 chipset mobo. Good bang for the buck on performance.

Rondog 19th February, 2005 02:40 AM

OK, prescott ready mobo, Celeron 2.8, ati 9550, hows this sounding people?

GrahamGarside 19th February, 2005 12:59 PM

you sure you can't convince hime to overclock? :) a 3.6ghz celeron is quite a good performer, 2.8 is ok. If you can convince him then go for the 320 (2.4ghz model) other than that that sounds like quite a good budget system.

Rondog 20th February, 2005 03:42 AM

Yeah, he saw what I did to my 64bit. So he wants to stay away from OCing.

GrahamGarside 20th February, 2005 02:59 PM

but overclocking a celeron d is a piece of cake, I built a system based on the 320 for a friend and it ran at 3.6ghz straight off, no tinkering nothing

Rondog 21st February, 2005 07:19 AM

Really? What system bus and multiplyer?

GrahamGarside 21st February, 2005 02:01 PM

It was a 2.4ghz chip, muliplier is 18 and it just runs on the 800mhz fsb, I didn't actually try any higher which I wish I had.

Rondog 22nd February, 2005 06:15 AM

Hmm. I i will keep that in mind. Was that with stock cooling? What model/brand main board and what was it, a Celeron D?

GrahamGarside 22nd February, 2005 01:36 PM

yup celeron d with stock cooling, motherboard was an asus p4r-800 deluxe

SteveI 22nd February, 2005 06:28 PM

2.4 Celeron D is multiplier locked, but running only 133 on the FSB. With a decent i865 mobo, you should be able to crank it up to 200fsb, or 3.6ghz without too much trouble... even stock cooling. In the end, only the CPU will be overclocked as the mobo, by design is meant to run at 200(800) fsb.

If you go with a faster CPU like the 2.8, 200 fsb will be much harder.

Rondog 23rd February, 2005 09:45 AM

If Celeron D's are multiplyer locked. How did you get the multiplyer to 18?

I cant find the P4R800 Pro, only the P4R800-VM. Do you know of somewhere in Aus that I could get them?

GrahamGarside 23rd February, 2005 03:37 PM

18's the default multiplier for the D320 (2.4ghz=18x133)
I don't know if the P4R800 is still in production, it's not a board I would usually recomend though, I chose it for my friend because it was £50 and the onboard radeon graphics were better than his GF2MX for the time being, if your friend is gonna use an agp card then an 865/875 board is the best bet.

this is the board on the asus website
http://au.asus.com/products/mb/socke...v/overview.htm

Rondog 24th February, 2005 07:54 AM

So you changed 133 too....200?

GrahamGarside 24th February, 2005 12:06 PM

yup, in fact the system I built for a friend with the P4R800 started on 200 straight off without me selecting it so that chip never ran at stock

Rondog 25th February, 2005 08:44 AM

Is this a CeleronD 320 2.4ghz, the same as the one you oc'ed to 3.6ghz?

GrahamGarside 25th February, 2005 02:24 PM

It is indeed

Rondog 26th February, 2005 05:06 AM

Excellent. :evil:

I have much work to do.

Rondog 27th February, 2005 09:11 AM

What voltage did you have it at? Standard?

SteveI 27th February, 2005 02:18 PM

Regardless of what another CPU could handle, I recommend starting vCORE at stock...
The first 5-600mhz should be easy. Jump the FSB from 133 to 166 in one step, maybe even to 180. Then, a few mhz at a time, have a couple of stress tests handy. If you are ocing memory or trying to run tighter than spec timings, have memtest handy. Otherwise, a CPU intensive program will work.

As soon as you have instability, bump the voltage a notch... rinse, repeat.
:)

Good luck.

Chesso 27th February, 2005 02:36 PM

I didn't even have to do that with mine i bought it yesterday and an asus mobo. I hooked it up and when it came up to the bios it asked whether i wanted to run it at 2.4 or 3.6 :D

SteveI 27th February, 2005 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chesso
I didn't even have to do that with mine i bought it yesterday and an asus mobo. I hooked it up and when it came up to the bios it asked whether i wanted to run it at 2.4 or 3.6 :D

Is this the same system you've been having memory problems with???
If yes, it would explain a lot.

GrahamGarside 27th February, 2005 03:17 PM

Both chips I've tried ran at stock voltage but I have read of some people increasing it slightly.

Rondog 28th February, 2005 11:56 AM

Very nice thanks for all you info. :)

ifebb 5th March, 2005 12:53 PM

Hi all... i'm newcomers and found this article interesting..... i have 2,4ghz Cel D, and an MSI 865PE Neo2 mobo, I've tried to adjust the fsb to 200, but failed, the system won't started.... does anyone have tried to overclock this celeron on msi 865PE Neo2?? ... the maximun i've succeed on 3,06ghz (fsb 170)....

Chesso 5th March, 2005 01:16 PM

That sucks man i have an Asus P4S800-MX and it just asked me what i wanted to run it at and that was that. Iv'e been running it like this on stock cooling for about a week i think. Benchmarking, gaming etc stay pretty cool too.

But that's probably because i have an open case with an actual standard fan on it most of the time mainly due to my gfx card heating up easily when gaming.

EDIT: When i say standard fan i mean one that you would normally use on yourself :p

GrahamGarside 5th March, 2005 03:59 PM

Ifebb are there vcore options in your bios? if so set the FSB the max it will boot with, see if it will boot into windows and run the prime95 stress test (prime95 is in the files section), if it fails increase the vcore slightly and try again.
I think most chips are ok up to about 1.5V

ifebb 18th March, 2005 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrahamGarside
Ifebb are there vcore options in your bios? if so set the FSB the max it will boot with, see if it will boot into windows and run the prime95 stress test (prime95 is in the files section), if it fails increase the vcore slightly and try again.
I think most chips are ok up to about 1.5V

Thanks Graham... After some tweaking i could manage 180 fsb without changing the vcore.... i found that last time arround i didnt set agp/pci freq to 66/33 fixed, so it wont boot... but now, it runs smoothly, with original fan and heatsink, idle temp 49 celcius, full load 61... 3,22ghz fsb 180... PCMark04 score from originally 3037, now scores 4080... quite impressive for firstimer like me :) ... but one thing i wanna ask, i dont know how to use prime95, could you give me a guide for that? thanx before....

GrahamGarside 19th March, 2005 12:31 AM

run it, cacnel the user information page, and options torture test. Leave it for a while and if it stops and reports hardware failure you've gone too far, if it runs for hours without fault then it's safe to assume a good overclock


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