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Old 11th December, 2009, 08:31 AM
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This thread was an awesome experience for me. Tears in my eyes and belly aches! Thanks guys I love you all !
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I am just thinking this is too much work for me. Hope you get it sorted out Dan.
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Old 11th December, 2009, 04:30 PM
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It is too much work, if I want a completely license free system I'll decide that for myself. RedHat is far too busy pushing their philosophy on it's users.

I give nvidia, on average 400 bucks a year, I don't think I need to be saved from using their non-free drivers, especially from a linux company that makes millions from saying you can have the software for free, but if you want our help with it you have to pay.
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Bear in mind, guys, that while the stuff I gave Dan looks complicated, from HIS perspective it is just 'cut and paste' command execution. In addition, a fair bit of the complexity in the shell scripts exists in order to make things for him as simple as possible.

E.g. all he's got to do to build his drivers is download them to a particular spot, then hit CTRL-ALT-F2 and login as root. That's a lot easier for him than remembering to:

su -
cd /home/Daniel/nvidia
telinit 3
./NVIDIA*.run
reboot

Even if you stick the above in a batch file, he still would have to remember (and accurately type; don't forget his dyslexia)

cd location-of-batch-file
./name-of-batch-file
root-password

While he SHOULD be able to use the RPMFusion repo, for some reason he appears to not be able to, and I haven't played with it myself recently.

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2 years ago I would have said exactly what Sam just did.

But it has been proven to me time and time again that it simply isn't as difficult as it looks. And the payoff in a solid machine is *usually* worth any extra effort. Once the setup work is done, I've found that being a user is smooth as silk.
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It's not that I think it's difficult, just far more complicated than need be. For me, linux has lost that competitive spirit and has settled on being an alternative.. Tired of Windows, come to linux and we will see if we can make you grow tired of it as well.

I also find it tiresome that when there is nothing substantial to offer it relies on philosophy and half-assed, unfinished rehashes just to keep people interested. One example I find is consolekit vs hal. Hal will be deprecated in favor of consolekit. Functionality remains the same, but hal is old and since it works pretty well is not actively developed so it's time to introduce a new app with a lot of bugs to work on.

It's gotten so bad that I am actually looking for an alternative to linux. Might see a Mac under my desk after Christmas..
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"If the guys working on nouveau could actually get real help from nVidia, it would make things go a lot faster. As it is, they are having to reverse-engineer nVidia's drivers."

It's my view that they get a LOT of help from Nvidia, they get Nvidia drivers! ":O}

I'm starting on your instruction now Gizmo, Thank you very much! ":O}
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They should be named something like NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-190.42-pkg2.run.

THIS PART IS IMPORTANT:
Make CERTAIN that you save the driver package in the /home/Daniel/nvidia directory (you'll have to create the directory).
fault screen manager. After that, you should be able to turn on desktop effects.
[Daniel@localhost ~]$ su
Password:
[root@localhost Daniel]# mount /boot
mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /boot busy
mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on /boot
[root@localhost Daniel]#
[root@localhost Daniel]#
[root@localhost Daniel]#
[root@localhost Daniel]#
[root@localhost Daniel]# cd /boot/grub
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]# sed 's/\(.*\)nouveau[^ ]* \(.*\)/\1\2/' < grub.conf | sed 's/\(.*\)vga[^ ]*\(.*\)/\1\2/' | sed 's_[[:space:]]kernel /vmlinuz.*_&nouveau.modeset=0 vga=0x307_' > grub.conf
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]# yum install kernel-headers kernel-firmware kernel-devel
Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit
flash | 1.3 kB 00:00
updates/metalink | 19 kB 00:00
updates | 4.4 kB 00:00
updates/primary_db | 2.1 MB 00:02
Setting up Install Process
Package kernel-firmware-2.6.31.6-166.fc12.noarch already installed and latest version
Resolving Dependencies
--> Running transaction check
---> Package kernel-devel.x86_64 0:2.6.31.6-166.fc12 set to be installed
---> Package kernel-headers.x86_64 0:2.6.31.6-166.fc12 set to be updated
--> Finished Dependency Resolution

Dependencies Resolved

================================================== ==============================
Package Arch Version Repository Size
================================================== ==============================
Installing:
kernel-devel x86_64 2.6.31.6-166.fc12 updates 6.0 M
kernel-headers x86_64 2.6.31.6-166.fc12 updates 744 k

Transaction Summary
================================================== ==============================
Install 2 Package(s)
Upgrade 0 Package(s)

Total download size: 6.7 M
Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading Packages:
Setting up and reading Presto delta metadata
updates/prestodelta | 281 kB 00:00
Processing delta metadata
Package(s) data still to download: 6.7 M
(1/2): kernel-devel-2.6.31.6-166.fc12.x86_64.rpm | 6.0 MB 00:07
(2/2): kernel-headers-2.6.31.6-166.fc12.x86_64.rpm | 744 kB 00:00
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total 812 kB/s | 6.7 MB 00:08
Running rpm_check_debug
Running Transaction Test
Finished Transaction Test
Transaction Test Succeeded
Running Transaction
Installing : kernel-devel-2.6.31.6-166.fc12.x86_64 1/2
Installing : kernel-headers-2.6.31.6-166.fc12.x86_64 2/2

Installed:
kernel-devel.x86_64 0:2.6.31.6-166.fc12
kernel-headers.x86_64 0:2.6.31.6-166.fc12

Complete!
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]# echo '#!/bin/bash' > /root/nv.sh
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]# echo telinit 3 >> /root/nv.sh
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]# echo '[ ! -d /root/nvidia-drivers ] && mkdir /root/nvidia-drivers' >> /root/nv.sh
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]# echo cd /root/nvidia-drivers >> /root/nv.sh
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]# echo cp /home/Daniel/nvidia/NVIDIA-Linux-x86*pkg2.run . >> /root/nv.sh
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]# echo chmod 500 NVIDIA-Linux-x86*pkg2.run >> /root/nv.sh
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]# echo 'NVIDIA_DRIVERS=$(ls -alt NVIDIA-Linux-x86*-pkg2.run | head -n 1 | awk '\''{print $8}'\'')' >> /root/nv.sh
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]# echo './$NVIDIA_DRIVERS --silent' >> /root/nv.sh
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]# echo reboot >> /root/nv.sh
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]# chmod 700 /root/nv.sh
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]# echo '#!/bin/bash' > /root/nv-remove.sh
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]# echo telinit 3 >> /root/nv-remove.sh
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]# echo cd /root/nvidia-drivers >> /root/nv-remove.sh
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]# echo 'NVIDIA_DRIVERS=$(ls -alt NVIDIA-Linux-x86*-pkg2.run | head -n 1 | awk '\''{print $8}'\'')' >> /root/nv-remove.sh
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]# echo './$NVIDIA_DRIVERS --uninstall' >> /root/nv-remove.sh
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]# echo reboot >> /root/nv-remove.sh
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]# chmod 700 /root/nv-remove.sh
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]# echo '[ `tty` = "/dev/tty2" ] && ./nv.sh' >>/root/.bashrc
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]# echo '[ `tty` = "/dev/tty3" ] && ./nv-remove.sh' >> /root/.bashrc
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#
[root@localhost grub]#


So far so good?? Did I totally blow it by performing all tasks as Root?...sigh...
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I'll try to active my Nvida drivers once you've confirmd that I've gotten this right

Mint 8, Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Cliff!!!! LOL
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This thread was an awesome experience for me. Tears in my eyes and belly aches! Thanks guys I love you all !
As you've been told many times, This is a fedora thing, not a Linux thing, If I didn't want this experience I could easily avoid it by ignoring Fedora (as most Linux users here, including myself, have. and use another destro... (mint 8 comes to mind)

As you know this already, why continue to take cheap shots?

My concern is that others will not post Linux questions for fear that they will have to put up with uninformed commentary and unwarranted ridicule and that being the case our Linux topic will suffer for it.

There are many and quite real criticisms to be levelled against Fedora, and as many suggestions as to what Fedora "Should have done or should do" as we have seen here and in other Fedora threads.

As Gizmo points out this is a solution he created for me, that my disability would not prevent me from doing something I wished to do. I enjoy groundless ridicule no more that the next person.

So...I'm not telling you not to do what you've been doing in this thread, I'm asking you how you think it helps me or others who seek help here?

I'm asking you to examine what your trying to achieve by doing so and ask yourself if what your doing is worth your time or ours?

Thank you for your consideration.
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Mint 8, Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Cliff!!!! LOL
It looks like it should be right. But as long as we are being cautious....su and run the following:

Code:
gedit /root/.bashrc /root/nv.sh /root/nv-remove.sh
Paste the contents of the 3 windows that gedit opens up back here so I can see them.
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Well for all the linux users out there I think Fedora (some x64 version) is working fine. Because it worked on my PC with no problems, and it was pretty fast. I will install it even this weekend and report back.

Sorry Bill they made me do it !
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It looks like it should be right. But as long as we are being cautious....su and run the following:

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Paste the contents of the 3 windows that gedit opens up back here so I can see them.
To late I Grub'ed myself! LOL

So like I shouldn't have shut down without actually "Press ctrl-alt-F2 (hold down the control and alt keys together, and while continuing to hold them down, press the F2 key)."

I'll do a Restore and try again, then post the last results you've just asked for...
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To late I Grub'ed myself! LOL

So like I shouldn't have shut down without actually "Press ctrl-alt-F2 (hold down the control and alt keys together, and while continuing to hold them down, press the F2 key)."
Umm........that actually shouldn't have mattered.......

The drivers aren't installed until you do the ctrl-alt-F2 thing, and in any case, the changes we've made here wouldn't cause grub to fail to load.

That's just odd.....
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Well for all the linux users out there I think Fedora (some x64 version) is working fine. Because it worked on my PC with no problems, and it was pretty fast. I will install it even this weekend and report back.

Sorry Bill they made me do it !
If you want to in stall Nivida drivers I can give you a link that should help! Stars at post 100. ":O}
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Umm........that actually shouldn't have mattered.......

The drivers aren't installed until you do the ctrl-alt-F2 thing, and in any case, the changes we've made here wouldn't cause grub to fail to load.

That's just odd.....
I just get a black screen with GRUB at the top, it does list Grub commands if you hit enter, anything you'd like me to try before I restore, possibly averting having to ? Maybe I shouldn't have login as su?
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Umm........that actually shouldn't have mattered.......

The drivers aren't installed until you do the ctrl-alt-F2 thing, and in any case, the changes we've made here wouldn't cause grub to fail to load.

That's just odd.....
My bad It's not a black screen, I just imagined that. It actually says GNU Grub and says to hit tab for list and when you do it gives GRUB possible commands... I tried "boot" but it got prissy and said I had to have the kernel loaded first, I would have tried "load the kernel", but my humiliation was just to great to face another failure! ":O}

I'm going ahead a restoring Fedora so we can see if loading the drivers works if done before shut down.
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Loading the drivers before shutdown will not have any effect. If you are getting a blank grub screen, it's because grub isn't understanding the grub.conf file, so I need you to paste the contents of /boot/grub/grub.conf after running the commands I gave above so I can look at it.

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Loading the drivers before shutdown will not have any effect. If you are getting a blank grub screen, it's because grub isn't understanding the grub.conf file, so I need you to paste the contents of /boot/grub/grub.conf after running the commands I gave above so I can look at it.
Will do!

Fedora is taking for-eve-er to download and update the restored drive, as their is a kernal update I thought I'd better get this done before trying again...
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OK here we go again! ":O}

[Daniel@localhost ~]$ yum info xorg-x11-drv-nouveau
Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit
Installed Packages
Name : xorg-x11-drv-nouveau
Arch : x86_64
Epoch : 1
Version : 0.0.15
Release : 18.20091105gite1c2efd.fc12
Size : 338 k
Repo : installed
From repo : updates-testing
Summary : Xorg X11 nouveau video driver for NVIDIA graphics chipsets
URL : X.Org Wiki - Home
License : MIT
Description: X.Org X11 nouveau video driver.

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