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Old 22nd November, 2012, 08:54 PM
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Well looks like I'll be moving to 64 bit Mint 14 after all! ":O}

Naturally I'll try setting up one or two games to confirm mint 14 worthiness.. before moving the show to the big tent! ":O}

I'm having fun I hope you all are as well!":O}
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Old 23rd November, 2012, 12:39 AM
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I'm having fun I hope you all are as well!":O}
Glad to hear it, yeah I am enjoying a glass of wine and playing some games that don't even require to be installed on my XBOX! God I feel so shallow!
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Old 23rd November, 2012, 02:12 AM
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Crysis 2 plays much better! I would say a 50 -60% crash reduction. Plays beautifully as always, but still crashes for no apparent reason, hard crashes the kind they put power off button on the computer for...

But it IS remarkably better! ":O}
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Old 23rd November, 2012, 02:14 AM
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Glad to hear it, yeah I am enjoying a glass of wine and playing some games that don't even require to be installed on my XBOX! God I feel so shallow!
The holidays are made for shallow! ":O}
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Old 23rd November, 2012, 04:03 AM
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I thought you did this before with Mint 13 64-bit?
Anyways, I'm glad its updated and those stinking 32-bit libraries are installed.
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This is one of the things that winds me up a bit. How does it help the end user to have a package management system that knows that the 32bit stuff isn't installed, but refuse to install it? Yet, that very same package management system has the ability to install it!

Given Mint releases a new version every 6 months, it seems slightly crazy to have to go through all of this every time there's a new version!
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Old 23rd November, 2012, 06:41 PM
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It should be as simple as this:
Code:
sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak
sudo sed -i ?s/lisa/maya/g? /etc/apt/sources.list
sudo sed -i ?s/oneiric/precise/g? /etc/apt/sources.list
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sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade
sudo apt-get autoremove
sudo apt-get autoclean
From a forum post upgrading 12 to 13
Had a chanch to try this yet Boo?
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Old 24th November, 2012, 02:47 PM
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Yes, did it last night...
Took an hour or two because it would stop and ask if I want to keep a package or over-write it.... but I didn't know it was waiting for my human intervention.
So I would check it, type "I" and then it would continue.... then it would happen again.
Maybe this is why I can't get internet on my Mint 14?

Anyways, everything seems to have worked pretty good.
The first boot gave me an error, but then I set up Cinnamon to be the default and it works just like Mint 13.

My only problem is that I can't get internet for some reason.
I have a valid IP address set by my router, I can ping the router, but no internet.

When I go to Preferences|Network Tools, the local device defaults to loopback interface (lo)
I can select the menu and choose my eth1 network device. I can configure it too.
I've tried setting manual, DHCP and DHCP (addresses) and manually adding the DNS addresses.
I can even ping the modem but no stinking internet????

Does anyone have an idea why Mint 14 would not give me internet?
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I wish I did kido. But you'll have to wait for someone who does...

or as we say in my country...BUMP!
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This is one of the things that winds me up a bit. How does it help the end user to have a package management system that knows that the 32bit stuff isn't installed, but refuse to install it? Yet, that very same package management system has the ability to install it!

Given Mint releases a new version every 6 months, it seems slightly crazy to have to go through all of this every time there's a new version!
And why leave out wine? What sense does that make? Does it make it easier to update from one version to the next?

What's wanted, in my view, is a out of the box experience for the first time user. That's only way we will keep them...if it works out of the box.

We've all had to many bad Linux experiences to have a great deal of patience with distros that can't connect to the web, or can't play a sound, or can't load video card drivers...

We should be past this, this is the basic starting point. In my View EVERY destro (desktop Destro for the masses) should be a beginners destro first and foremost, we need NEW USERS.

People love what is easy. People love what is simple. Give them that and you can pile on anything else you like. So long as using it is simple, makes enjoying it easy.":O}
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Old 25th November, 2012, 10:58 AM
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Wine wasn't missing - it was all the support code (32bit libraries) needed for it to function.

According to Mint, some of their reasons for success are:
  1. It works out of the box, with full multimedia support and is extremely easy to use.
  2. It's both free of cost and open source.
  3. It's community-driven. Users are encouraged to send feedback to the project so that their ideas can be used to improve Linux Mint.
  4. Based on Debian and Ubuntu, it provides about 30,000 packages and one of the best software managers.
  5. It's safe and reliable. Thanks to a conservative approach to software updates, a unique Update Manager and the robustness of its Linux architecture, Linux Mint requires very little maintenance (no regressions, no antivirus, no anti-spyware...etc).

I think experience has managed to disprove reason #1, and reason #5 is highly dubious for any OS.
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I think experience has managed to disprove reason #1, and reason #5 is highly dubious for any OS.
...while 2,3,4 aren't exactly positive points?
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Old 25th November, 2012, 05:07 PM
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Those are positive points for me!
The only reason Wine still exists is because of the community and its totally free.
Since it runs in Ubuntu and Debian it runs great in Mint too.

Aedan, do you have any tips on troubleshooting my networking problem in Mint 14?

I have a feeling something was changed to default my network device to lo instead of eth1
I'll keep doing some research, but if you have any pointers I would love to try em
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Wine wasn't missing - it was all the support code (32bit libraries) needed for it to function.

According to Mint, some of their reasons for success are:
  1. It works out of the box, with full multimedia support and is extremely easy to use.
  2. It's both free of cost and open source.
  3. It's community-driven. Users are encouraged to send feedback to the project so that their ideas can be used to improve Linux Mint.
  4. Based on Debian and Ubuntu, it provides about 30,000 packages and one of the best software managers.
  5. It's safe and reliable. Thanks to a conservative approach to software updates, a unique Update Manager and the robustness of its Linux architecture, Linux Mint requires very little maintenance (no regressions, no antivirus, no anti-spyware...etc).

I think experience has managed to disprove reason #1, and reason #5 is highly dubious for any OS.
What bothers me is they use to mean it! They lagged behind to insure that everything worked and it pretty much did at lest for me.

Now it seems they are more interested in being the cutting edge... Let's hope they can find a happy medium.
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Those are positive points for me!
The only reason Wine still exists is because of the community and its totally free.
Since it runs in Ubuntu and Debian it runs great in Mint too.

Aedan, do you have any tips on troubleshooting my networking problem in Mint 14?

I have a feeling something was changed to default my network device to lo instead of eth1
I'll keep doing some research, but if you have any pointers I would love to try em
It sounds to me like your default gateway is set to 127.0.0.1 (which would go to lo). If that's the case, you'll need to change that to correspond with your IP address settings (DHCP, or the gateway for your network if using static addressing). I've no idea how to tell you to do that in Mint.

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I know you have to be away much of the time, but I just have to say how good it is to see you posting...just like in the old days...":O}
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It sounds to me like your default gateway is set to 127.0.0.1 (which would go to lo). If that's the case, you'll need to change that to correspond with your IP address settings (DHCP, or the gateway for your network if using static addressing). I've no idea how to tell you to do that in Mint.
I know how to do it in the GUI but something seems to be over-riding it. Like a .conf file
Do you know what .conf files may have this information?
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In RH systems, it would be in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth*

On Gentoo systems, it would be in /etc/conf.d/net

For Mint and Debian systems, I haven't a clue.
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I know you have to be away much of the time, but I just have to say how good it is to see you posting...just like in the old days...":O}
Glad I can bring sunshine to someone's day.
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