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An Idiot’s Tale of Choosing a Linux Distro

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I am a long-time Windows user. I started using Windows back with Windows 3.1. I went through 95, 98, served a brief prison sentence with Windows ME, moved to 2000, then XP, and now Vista. So, I’ve pretty much used them all. The newest incarnation (Vista) is a mixed bag, to say the least. On my notebook computer, Vista runs pretty well. On my desktop, it can be an annoying experience. I am actually contemplating bringing the desktop BACK to Windows XP Media Center (which is what it originally came with). Windows XP is SO much more dependable.

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Old 18th September, 2007, 07:26 AM
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"Linux is a different world, and quite frankly, I didn’t WANT it to be that different. If I have to open up Terminal and type anything into a command line, I’m angry. This is 2007, guys, and I see no reason why I should have to do anything by command line in a modern operating system. Ubuntu is the latest craze in Linux, but it is that distro that caused me to have to learn some of the command line functions. It was ridiculous."

Well, he's got one part right.. he is an idiot.

He doesn't want Linux, he wants windows for free.
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Hm, not that I ever have to type anything on a command line in Windows.

Ok, I find that in 2007, I have to use the command line in Windows, because there aren't GUI tools to do what I want.
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Well, he's got one part right.. he is an idiot.

He doesn't want Linux, he wants windows for free.

That was a good early morning laugh..

God forbid trying something new would force you to learn something new..
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Ok, I find that in 2007, I have to use the command line in Windows, because there aren't GUI tools to do what I want.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
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Old 18th September, 2007, 03:38 PM
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Daniel has used a command line, and continues to use a command line from time to time when needed, sure he isn't writing sh scripts or piping complex commands, but he can navigate, and make changes to his filesystem, manage user switching, update and install packages, and install things from a terminal.

It seriously didn't take him long at all.

Fact of the matter is, back when I had my first computer (when I was four years old), the first words I could read and write were DOS commands, and by early primary school, installing and removing software, moving files around, making changes to my filesystem, and even editing my save game files for Castles II: Seige and Conquest to cheat resources was not difficult.

It wasn't all that long ago that people used DOS, regularly, and tbh bash is alot more sensical and friendly than DOS ever was.
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But, and I am in no way showing Bill love here, can someone that got a computer for internet, email, photos and the like do this? It will have to be as easy as windows to have any chance of stealing a sizable market share. It should be easy to download, install and operate.
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Old 18th September, 2007, 04:02 PM
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Internet, email and photos can all be done easily through GUIs, also adding and removing programs and updating can be done through GUIs.

Terminal is used most often, to accompish things rapidly and precisely, usually when folling instructions. So instead of saying to someone, open this window, click on this, right click here, left click here, click this tab, uncheck that, etc. You can often substitute a line or two of shell statements that do the exact same thing, and can be copied and pasted. Terminal commands often give you more power, flexibility, and are faster to use that GUIs is all.
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But, and I am in no way showing Bill love here, can someone that got a computer for internet, email, photos and the like do this?
For e-mail, web browsing, photos, and basic Internet, Linux already works. There are a few gotchas, relating to games, such as the fact that shockwave doesn't really work under Linux (you can supposed kludge it using IE under Wine, but that's not a very good solution).
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Terminal is used most often, to accompish things rapidly and precisely, usually when following instructions.
Or compiling drivers, because the ones supplied don't work...
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Using Ubuntu, the only thing I have found I needed the terminal for (If I wanted to find where to do it via gui), was the nVidia driver install (8xxx cards not supported yet) and to upgrade the OS. there was probably was a way to upgrade the OS (from 6.06 to ? to 7.04) but opening a terminal and typing in:
gksu apt-get "update-manager -c"
was much easier, and it opens the gui based installer anyway.
installing the itunes equiv (gtkpod):
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no searching for the program, downloading, then installing, all in one hit.

I also use the occasional batch file, and the cmd prompt regularly in XP anyway.

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Using Ubuntu, the only thing I have found I needed the terminal for (If I wanted to find where to do it via gui), was the nVidia driver install (8xxx cards not supported yet) and to upgrade the OS. there was probably was a way to upgrade the OS (from 6.06 to ? to 7.04) but opening a terminal and typing in:
gksu apt-get "update-manager -c"
was much easier, and it opens the gui based installer anyway.
installing the itunes equiv (gtkpod):
sudo apt-get install gtkpod
no searching for the program, downloading, then installing, all in one hit.

I also use the occasional batch file, and the cmd prompt regularly in XP anyway.

ipconfig anyone?
8xxx cards were supported from release, I actually have a Geforce 8 8400M GS 128MB in my laptop. Only thing that isn't supported is overclocking due to the complex nature of the individual shader units running at different clocks.
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8xxx cards were supported from release, I actually have a Geforce 8 8400M GS 128MB in my laptop. Only thing that isn't supported is overclocking due to the complex nature of the individual shader units running at different clocks.

No problems with Fedora, Ubuntu had issues, and the install wasn't as easy.
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I'm with Gizmo. If you don't play games and are an average user, why pay MS for that? Fedora has been handling everything I do (Except games) for a month or three now...NOTHING could make me go back!":O}

I may be revealing myself to be covered in ingnorence, but I think the Linux community is going to have to decide weather blocking drivers that are proprietary from inclusion in dstros is worth failing for.

The very day that first guy announces that he's just installed Fedora 11 and it COMPLETELY handled his hardware and offered him a choice of DRIVERS; after which he played all 5 of the top new games... MS is finished as a desk top, face it! Nobody likes them anyway!":O}

I be cool now wit Nvidia, thanks to Dsio. But I was amazed at what I would have had to know and didn't to get my card up and properly driver'ed.

Together we got Quake4 to play very well. But we haven't been able to get non Linux games to run in Cedega... at all and we don't yet know why. I can use W2k, but...that's fading, I have high hopes for Fedora 8, but have what I NEED of Fedora now, I can wait if I need to for games to arrive in a form I find easy to access.

I thought you guys would want to know what the completely clueless guy was thinking.":O}
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Intel has opened up their drivers, AMD/ATI has now opened up their drivers, and it stands to reason that in response Nvidia will have to do it sooner or later as well.
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I have no doubt that every step of a Free anything in this world is fraught with peril. Nor do I doubt that the Author is far more qualified to speak on this issue than many and certainly myself.

How ever this is what I would like to ask him! Is there no way to get this done! Are you really saying that Linux must remain virtually unusable as a gaming solution.. or be co-opted and die?

I find it impossible to believe that the People who gave us these fine distros can not find a safe way to bend to help me. A safe way to include the clueless.

There is a need, let there be a way. The whole world is waiting for you to resolve this, waiting to move on. ":O}

I'm the LAST guy in the world to try and say how you should accomplish this. But everyone knows you must or you will fail as a desktop for the average user.

As I like to occasionally remind the reader...I could be JUST so wrong! ":O}
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Dan, right now, Novell has just released a set of free and open source ATI drivers based on ATI's specs that were provided 8 days ago. 8 days is all it took to get something functional. If NVidia follows soon, we could end up with open source drivers for both, meaning working 3D drivers out of the box.
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