Microsoft must abandon Vista

[danrok]

Read about why MS should abandon Windows Vista:
http://www.aoaforums.com/frontpage/content/view/3225/1/

Comments?

[Daniel ~]

This is SOOOOooo MS!
They abandon or are about to, the two OS's that people can live with or even have affection for order to shove Vista down our unwlling throats....

If only they really believed we should have it our way...

Now we can wait for our MS rep to tell us that he likes doing it MS' way and that should satisfy the rest of us!

[aghastpumpkin]

This is ridiculous. Vista may not be what it should, but biggest blunder in tech history?
Oh grow up.
I just can't help but giggle at the way the media is so quick to slag Vista off. Hey, lets all jump on the bandwagon.

How many of the people who write this junk use it on a day to day basis?

As we all know, negative news is good news.

I'm really not suggesting that I love Vista or anything like that, it's definately fallen badly short.

But the second a few people decide they don't like something, or it falls short, it is as if the media jump in and go out of their way to slag it off.

I accept constructive criticism but media like this....how do they think it makes Vista users feel?

It just makes you feel like an idiot.

[Daniel ~]

I suspect AP, that your usage of Vista is rather like my usage of Fedora, not terribly demanding without to much depending upon it's reliability.

Large business and corporations have way different needs, needs which those Corporation don't feel Vista comes close to meeting, hence very few are updating to it...and as time goes on and they gain Vista experience, they are saying never. At first they were saying SP1, now many are saying, Linux instead of MS.

If they go Linux, they will leave a lot more than just the MS OS behind.... Not all, but a lot. Look for desperate moves to prevent this migration, if MS doesn't stop it, it will be because they can't.... Remember... nobody likes MS.

Nobody is going to stick with Vista out of gratitude for past MS behavior...indeed I think most of the world would like to see them stripped of their power to further harm computing and competition.... IMHO

[chrisbard]

I only have to say this to Don Reisinger: Get lost you and your perfect MAC/Linux world. PMSL ROFL at that.

Vista Rulez !!!

[Daniel ~]

We will see.

[aghastpumpkin]

I agree with you to a point Dan.

But suggesting that MS abandon Vista is sheer lunacy. It would be the stupidest move in tech history IMO.

[Daniel ~]

I'm in no position to know... but I can hope can't I? ":O}

You see this in terms of an OS, I see this in terms of MS....might account for the differences in our feelings about this.

He's not saying they will choose to, he's saying they need to face a reality... all personal feelings aside, Vista has not charmed big business, and the MS business model has pissed them off for years.
Whole big bunches of people have very good reasons to want to see MS fade from the scene as the dominate player...There ARE people who can no longer look away from the really bad influence MS has upon our world.
And people who still pretend they can.....

[aghastpumpkin]

I prefer to like a product not because of who made it, but because of it itself.
I dislike MS. They are like every other massive corporation out there. News International, Microsoft, IBM, Sony, Tesco, they are all out there to get you, to use you and abuse you.

Thats just the world we live in. We can tackle the issue by chosing products from more ethical sources.

But this is not always easy.

[danrok]

By dominating the operating system market, they have created a position of great responsibility for themselves. They have to come up with the goods.

They have, so far, failed to do that with Vista. The evidence is plain for all to see, slow sales, Vista users downgrading to XP, Dell et al offering systems with XP again. Microsoft have extended XP's lifetime, that was their decision.

This isn't just an illusion created by the media.

[Daniel ~]

We can tackle the issue by chosing products from more ethical sources.

Sorry, I didn't know "easy" was a pre-condition to right action.

Yes we can do as you suggest, but it has a price. We can "try" to shun those whose business practices harm our world. But be warned. For a long time you will have to stand alone. Many will make a joke of your efforts.

AP vs MS! what a laugh... but if your center holds, you can make a difference.
If you pursue what you believe to be the good, at the cost of your convenience
the world can not deny you your influence...and you will have helped your world move passed MS and her policies, you will have set president within your self that can interpret law for a lifetime.

Every thing has a price, not everything is worth buying. "Nobody want's to die, every one wants to go to heaven."

If you have to ask how much AP, you can't afford it.

[dsio]

Originally Posted by aghastpumpkin

I agree with you to a point Dan.

But suggesting that MS abandon Vista is sheer lunacy. It would be the stupidest move in tech history IMO.

It wouldn't exactly be the first time a company of this size has done just that though. If you remember the Pentium 4, intel invested billions in its development and architecture, and considered it the future direction for the company in the longterm (netburst architecture).

It was a failure at launch, and after years or trying to make it a passable and competitive product, intel finally gave up on the Pentium 4, and went back to the Pentium 3. That 'old generation' P3 is now called Conroe.

Right now Vista has usibility issues that are not easy to overcome, its security procedures are poorly thought through and interfere with the user experience. Turning those security features off, as many do, leaves you in the same vulnerable position you were in with XP, just with fewer 3rd party software packages to protect you.

Performance has decreased, as has stability, and support of existing applications is worse than it has been in any previous windows release. You may not care that older software doesn't run on your computer, but if you are a business using niche software products that are no longer in production, or require a huge cash investment to upgrade, Vista is unusable. Its a very common situation in commercial deployments.

The eye-candy was meant to be the big crowd puller, its what they show in commercials, its what they keep flogging at press opportunities, and its one of the biggest letdowns to date. The Vista Aero interface is less impressive, more load intensive, and uglier than OSX's Quartz Extreme was when it was released 5 years ago, and is comically poor compared to Novell's Compiz which has been out for years now as well. It adds no new functionality, saps performance, and looks ordinary at best.

For this you can pay up to US$740 depending on where you live.

If they created a stopgap solution based around an updated NT5 they could flog it all day long and people would buy it, but as it stands Vista is too broken to be repaired any time soon, and yea I do own a copy so I know this for a fact, not just because I've read it.

[danrok]

Intel and Microsoft have a common problem, they're producing legacy products which are for a legacy system - the PC. The problem is worse for MS, however.

It's a road which is guaranteed to end in disaster.

The only way to build the ultimate OS, would be to start from scratch.

When Windows was born, the world was a different place. There was no real security requirement. There was no Internet, as we know it today.

As the saying goes "You can't teach an old dog new tricks.". Windows is an old dog.

[Pitch]

Want to fix poor Vista sales?

A consolidation of versions would be a good start. We do NOT need 5 versions. One version is fine, and lower the pricing a little.

Atleast MS knows something is up. Extending the life on XP was a good move, especially when OEM sellers have all reverted to XP.

[noob]

Having had to test vista in an enterprise environment - I can say I hope we don't go near it.

I personally feel vista is comparable to Windows Me when it came out.
Looked better than prior versions, but breaks everything.
But Me was never abandoned, although it probably should've been. maybe in 2 years they will come out with an OS that actually works, and looks like vista. Making whatever is next is to vista, like XP is to Me.

Also I agree with Pitch - 5 versions? There should never have been 2 versions of XP, 5 versions is far to many.

I agree; abandon sales of it - start with something new, and that works.
This OS is causing headaches all through the different departmental IT support. Same with Office 2007.

There is about the same amount of work moving to vista, as would be changing to open source. In some departments which utilise Mac's, probably less. The main technical problem would be upgrading the citrix network, for those apps which require a windows OS (and they were designed around w2k).

[Pitch]

I'm sure if Microsoft had their way, we'll all be busy downgrading our systems to Vista...

[noob]

Originally Posted by Pitch

I'm sure if Microsoft had their way, we'll all be busy downgrading our systems to Vista...

Yep, so they can make money that way - then again upgrading our systems to whatever comes next.

Its like the whole Win98 -> Win ME -> XP thing again.

NOTE:

I said Win Me, not w2k

It would be upgrade to w2k, add xp bloat (+ taskbar lock, and dual column start menu), downgrade to vista.

[Daniel ~]

I don't think MS has another OS left in them. As noted they need to start over, the last time that happened, Bill bought DOS.

Some one some where is working out the details of my next OS now, I'm pretty sure it isn't Bill.

[noob]

Originally Posted by Daniel ~

Some one some where is working out the details of my next OS now, I'm pretty sure it isn't Bill.

Fedora 8?

[Daniel ~]

I'm sweet on her younger sister, that's for sure, but I want to see what Unbantu gets up to as well. But for sure I'll try 8.