Stolen State?

[cloasters]

The Government Accounting Office confirms that the November election in Ohio was tampered with and thrown to the Republicans. My complaint about this is: Why haven't the Dems in Congress screamed bloody murder about this?
Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lyn-le...c_b_11483.html

[Áedán]

I see the terms "virtual statistical impossibility" turn up too many times. Either it's statistically improbable or it's not. In the world of statistics, impossibility is a very strong term indeed.

[Gizmo]

Originally Posted by cloasters

The Government Accounting Office confirms that the November election in Ohio was tampered with and thrown to the Republicans. My complaint about this is: Why haven't the Dems in Congress screamed bloody murder about this?
Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lyn-le...c_b_11483.html

Probably the same reason the Republicans didn't scream bloody murder about the Missouri Senate race in 2000, when a DEAD MAN was elected Senator, and his wife was then APPOINTED (without election, and in complete violation of the law) to take his place.

They are afraid that if people look into the whole elections process too closely, there are questions that will be asked that they REALLY don't want to answer.

[Daniel ~]

Basically we like it dirty and ugly. We trust dirty and ugly, it's all we've ever known.

If elections were fair we could vote out those we disagree with over time. This way there is no one to agree or disagree with, just the process reliably rendering exactly the same results each time. We like that. It has a certain continuity.

We may not be happy, but at lest no else is either!!

We may not be smart, but intelligence is useless in determining what we want anyway!

We may not be moral, but we have right on both sides!
We may not be free but we ARE Americans!

Americans are better than free we are contented with our misery and proud of our afflictions!

Let us wallow together in the Bull **** that never has to end.
Every four years a NEW BEGINNING!

[alexkerhead]

Originally Posted by cloasters

Why haven't the Dems in Congress screamed bloody murder about this?

Money Money Money!
The corruption of the government reaches furthur than just the current office holding party, most poloticians are selfish, in turn, can be paid off.

[captaincurran]

when i read the subject line, i actually thought someone had stolen a state, perhaps alaska, no one would care if canada or russia took over alaska.

[Phat Pat]

Didn't we steal all our states from native americans (hence the name)?

[alexkerhead]

Originally Posted by Phat Pat

Didn't we steal all our states from native americans (hence the name)?

We didn't steal anything.
Nor are we responsible for what the people who did it did.

[Daniel ~]

That's great Alex! When are going to give it back? I can't wait to shed the burden of guilt.

Guys the theft is NOT OVER until that which has been stolen is returned.

Until we STOP our genocide upon the people we are this DAY MURDERING, INCARCERATING, Denying MEDICAL, EDUCATION, FREEDOM.

EVERY THING we did to gain the continent, we continue to do to maintain possession.

Your as guilty as sin Alex and covered in the blood of children.

RED, BLACK, YELLOW AND BROWN CHILDREN.

We saved the best for last!

Look what's become of the WHITE Children...they think they are another species. One that is Supposed to own the world... at whatever cost.

You innocent? Please. Your the receiver of stolen goods and lost lives and we don't even feel sorry. At lest not enough to give it back, or at lest give back enough of it that the lives we destroyed might be restored.

[Daniel ~]

Pilot washed his hands. We wash all of history.

[alexkerhead]

Originally Posted by Daniel ~

That's great Alex! When are going to give it back? I can't wait to shed the burden of guilt.

Guys the theft is NOT OVER until that which has been stolen is returned.

Until we STOP our genocide upon the people we are this DAY MURDERING, INCARCERATING, Denying MEDICAL, EDUCATION, FREEDOM.

EVERY THING we did to gain the continent, we continue to do to maintain possession.

Your as guilty as sin Alex and covered in the blood of children.

RED, BLACK, YELLOW AND BROWN CHILDREN.

We saved the best for last!

Look what's become of the WHITE Children...they think they are another species. One that is Supposed to own the world... at whatever cost.

You innocent? Please. Your the receiver of stolen goods and lost lives and we don't even feel sorry. At lest not enough to give it back, or at lest give back enough of it that the lives we destroyed might be restored.

Yeah, I dont see you out giving indians your house/car/and belongings, and your checks either.
I am not giving back something I didn't take either.
You don't seem to understand something, the Indians don't want it back, they just want to live like everyone else, but people like you keep pushing them to have their "own" land(reserves), which isolates them, therofore keeping them from getting the education, medical rights, trial right, etc. we all have. They are denied americanship in that manner.
I don't hear indians complaining about land, I hear them complaining because they are continually denied "american" rights.
You forget, indian people are not nearly as materialistic as we are.
Daniel, you nor I stole anything from the indians, but we have not acted to equalize them, we are guilty of that.
Our evil is the fact we(using the term lightly) won't let them join in our "good fortune".

[Phat Pat]

oh here we go. Did I start this one?

[alexkerhead]

Originally Posted by Phat Pat

oh here we go. Did I start this one?

lol, not really, Daniel and I disagree on practically everything.

[Daniel ~]

Originally Posted by alexkerhead

Yeah, I dont see you out giving indians your house/car/and belongings, and your checks either.
I am not giving back something I didn't take either.
You don't seem to understand something, the Indians don't want it back, they just want to live like everyone else, but people like you keep pushing them to have their "own" land(reserves), which isolates them, therofore keeping them from getting the education, medical rights, trial right, etc. we all have. They are denied americanship in that manner.
I don't hear indians complaining about land, I hear them complaining because they are continually denied "american" rights.
You forget, indian people are not nearly as materialistic as we are.
Daniel, you nor I stole anything from the indians, but we have not acted to equalize them, we are guilty of that.
Our evil is the fact we(using the term lightly) won't let them join in our "good fortune".

You ignorance of the simple most facts makes discussion impossible.

Once we had brought the slaves from Africa, we separated those of the same tribe. We wanted to be sure to wipe out their culture completely.

Then after but a single generation we could point to Toby and say, You see what simple people "They" are!"

"Do you see how they like to imitate the master! Why they want to be just like us! They share OUR values...in a primitive sort of way!"

READ A BOOK!

Your ignorance is exceed only by your ignorance.

Your opinion IS NOT as good as mine! Mine has the advantage of having been formed in the presence of the facts of history.

Yours was informed by wishful thinking of a murderous people. Your ignorance continues to kill them now. Steal from them now.

Most importantly it continues to hide what you are doing from you. Your trying to make them you. Which is why we killed them in the first place. For not being you and me.

As to would I return what I have? A cheap way to look at things. The question is moot as I don't have any of the things you mention and one man can not make actual restitution.

But you can bet should the opportunity for justice arise
I won't be held back by the trivial BS you posted.AND YES it would cost you until you cried like a baby, like the babies we murder with neglect each year.

BTW I forgotten NOTHING and you have zero knowledge on this subject. Just empty opinions bearing zero resemblence to the facts.

You going to be this dence alll your life? It does have the advantage of not having to pay your debts...

[Toro]

but seriously...

i may be a bit tipsy

but alex says he doesnt see you giving anything back... where is your family from originally? I dont see you heading back there?

ps what is done is done... please dont think im stiring things im pointing out that you seem to be hurt that the whites stole these lands, which I do not disagree with, and kidnapped people from africa, and anywhere else they could, but we are not the same people that took these lands. I have often thought about how everyone should just return to their own lands, but this would be somewhat impractical. I do not know enough about this history, but all i know is that we are not our forefathers, why should anyone pay for what their father did or didn't do?

/me prepares for onslaught of Daniel~'s elite arguement, which he knows will blow his away, but had to post

[Gizmo]

Originally Posted by Toro

I do not know enough about this history, but all i know is that we are not our forefathers, why should anyone pay for what their father did or didn't do?

If your Father did wrong, and because of his wrong you have gained, do you not owe something back?

Mind you, I'm not entirely certain I completely agree with this line of reasoning to the degree that some seem inclined to carry it, but I can at least understand it.

The last I knew, the United States Government had entered into 323 treaties with the various tribes of American Indians. It had outright broken 322 of them, and the remaining one (the establishment of Reservations for each of the Indian Nations) has been so bent it might as well be broken. The establishment of the reservation in Oklahoma for the Cherokee Nation and the forced march on the "Trail of Tears" ("Nunna daul Tsuny" in Cherokee) is one of the most brutal elements of American history, rivaled only by the slave trade. (My great-great-grandmother came from Georgia on the Trail of Tears when she was a little girl; her mother and father both died on the march.)

The Bureau of Indian Affairs is supposed to look after the best interests of the American Indians. The best interests of the American Indians would be better served if the bureaucrats in the B.I.A. were all drawn and quartered, burned, and their remains scattered to the winds.

Our goverment, in the guise of 'caring' for the American Indian has, at nearly every turn, either neglected or outright ignored the requests of the tribes for basic necessities. I know people who live not 30 miles from me on Indian land who live in run-down shacks with dirt floors. They get a visit once a year from a B.I.A. representative who promises to do something to improve their conditions, goes back to Washington and promptly forgets about them.

They OWN (by American law) the land that they live on, yet they are not permitted to lease it to someone else to use for farming, mining, or anything else. That has to be done by the B.I.A. because the B.I.A. looks after their interests. About the only thing they CAN do with their own land is sell it to someone else, unless they want to declare the land to be no longer part of the reservation (and therefore no longer Indian) and pay taxes on it.

That is exactly what many of them have done. Many of the members of the Quapaw, Seneca, and Cayuga tribes have sold their land to people for development, for a one-time fee, and now they have nothing.

However, all is not lost. It seems some bright boy found a loophole in the law. The tribes have been banding together to build casinos on their land. Because it is Indian land, it is outside the jurisdiction of U.S. law, and is governed by the laws of the tribes instead. Which means that although Missouri has a law against gambling (except on the Missouri and Mississippi rivers), the tribes can have gambling establishments of their own. Because of the loophole in the law (I don't know all the details), they are able to hire an outside firm to develop the land, build the casino, and the Indians manage it and reap the profits from it. They have been taking these profits and turning them back to helping themselves. Heh. The white man ripped them off. Now they're getting even.

[Staz]

Quick, Someone steal the soap box befor Daniel hops on it again!