How long

[madcatmk3]

anyone want to guess how long it will be before AMD comes out with ethier a dual-core AM2 of 65nm AM2? Hopefully in the next few months.

[Pitch]

Dual Core AM2......

it already exists dude.

As for 65nm, I have no idea.

[cadaveca]

65nm to start in fall(OEM and reviewer sampling), with full retail saturation next year. AMD has these cpu's up and running already, having showcased them at the developer day last week.

[Gizmo]

To the best of my knowledge, what Cad says is substantially correct: AMD will not have 65nM parts in quantity until early next year. Unfortunately, by late next year Intel is supposed to be at 45nM. That means that Intel will continue to enjoy manufacturing cost and performance advantages for the forseeable future.

There is a lot of prognostication and wishful thinking going around saying that AMD is going to pull full scale production and availability of 65nM in to 4th quarter of this year, or possibly even late 3rd quarter; I don't believe it. And from the looks of things, K8L is going to be more of the same, that is evolutionary rather than revolutionary technology.

In short, AMD and Intel are going to stay pretty evenly matched for a while. While a little disappointing for those of us who like to root for the underdog, it is actually a good thing for the buyer because it means that both companies will have to compete hard to get our money.

[cadaveca]

With the addition of Chartered Semi producing chips for AMD as of this month(90nm), AMD should be able to ramp up production of 65nm cores within the next few months. The only thing that leaves me skeptical is yeild rates, as 50% fully working dies from one wafer @ 90nm is considered good as of late.