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kat · #41 (**permalink**) 7th October, 2001, 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by dimmreaper
We could always hi-jack a plane from an Arab Airline and plunge that sucker in to the dome on the rock. But I don't think that would help matters too much

BTW- that was a joke, so please don't flame me anyone. I would never seriously suggest destroying anything that ment so much to so many people.

dome on the rock??

splain that one to me lucy geografy isnt my best subject... infact i dont think i have a best subject

dimmreaper · #42 (**permalink**) 7th October, 2001, 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by kat

dome on the rock??

splain that one to me lucy geografy isnt my best subject... infact i dont think i have a best subject

It's the spot were whats his nutz in the bible was about to sacrifice his son(a common ancestor of the Palestinians) to God. It's like the center of the world or something. I'm too tired to splain it right now. Going to bed now, gotta work in the AM, nightily night all . . . . .

CrystalMethod · #43 (**permalink**) 7th October, 2001, 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by Phil

but it's gonna mean a war, I think it's necessary but still unpleasant.

War is always "unpleasant", if that word can be used for it. But, what;s being done is in the interest of the world as a whole. I don't belive it's just revenge for the events of Sept. 11th. I would however have liked to see a peaceful solution to the affair.

Lionfish · #44 (**permalink**) 7th October, 2001, 10:53 PM

Neutron bomb & then let God sort them out.

I know it is harsh, but so are they.

Just my $.02

And yes I do know, this is a NO win situation either way.

QuasiMobo · #45 (**permalink**) 7th October, 2001, 10:57 PM

I want to know just WHO is responsible for launching this attack upon the shepherds in bucolic Afghanistan? Allan Nielsen STILL has not seen convincing proof that the money that supported the attack on the WTC and the Pentagon actually did come DIRECTLY from the brown leather wallet in Osama bin Laden's back pocket.

Call the planes back - let's launch an investigation!

Phiber · #46 (**permalink**) 7th October, 2001, 11:14 PM

what has happpppend so far ??

dabaerman · #47 (**permalink**) 7th October, 2001, 11:18 PM

i am an American by birth. born to an American born mother and father. in the pursuit of the genealogy of my family, ihave found
that my ancestors came from Prussia. they came to fight a war.
the American Revolution as we know it.
my 'family tree' has a history of fighting in the wars that we are
most familiar with. my Grandfather was in the trenches during
WWI and got mustard gas poisoning. my father was a survivor of the attack on the 'Carrier Hornet in WWII. he became a career
military man who saw action in Korea and Viet Nam. my brother
has two Purple Hearts from Viet Nam. i was in North Africa for part
of the Viet Nam era.
the time i spent in Lybia was mixed with pleasure and fear. it was difficult to understand at that time why the Moslems didn't
like Americans. we were targets for their hatred of the Jews and
eventually forced to leave by Colonel Qadafy(sp). in my own naivety/ignorance, i went on living my life not really caring about the rest of the worlds problems. rude awakening!
i don't recall any of the other wars being faught for peace. it is absurd to fight for or go to war for peace. you either make peace or make war. the fight is not for peace in Palestine. it is a fight for freedom. something Mr. Ben Ladden knows little about.
as long as there is a faction in the world that would take away
freedom (as we know it) from anyone there will be no peace.

QuasiMobo · #48 (**permalink**) 8th October, 2001, 12:32 AM

although I'd like to wring the greasy necks of some of those hatemongering mullahs.

I'm surprised that so many Americans are wondering - "Why do they HATE us?" It's simple, actually. A few evil men (yes, Virginia, there really IS a thing called evil - remember two guys called Hitler and Stalin?) have decided they'd like to control a substantial chunk of the world's oil supply. Unfortunately, the US stands in their way - so we're instantly "The Great Satan."

Hitler whipped the Germans into a froth by blaming their problems on the Jews. Lenin and Stalin told their benighted followers that capitalists were the source of the world's woes.

It's all bull******. Do you know what Osama bin Laden actually tells his ignorant followers? That the United States STEALS the oil we get from the Middle East! (apparently the $30 a barrel is a tip)

Wouldn't YOU be ready to shoot someone if you found out that, say, Canada had tunneled under the border to steal America's coal, thus impoverishing your homeland?

Then this Svengali taps into the misery of the feudal social organization of the Middle East by paying these unemployable sex-starved miseducated youth, giving them a job. And an ideology.

It's amazing how ALL the world's bastards use the same techniques. Different places, different enemies, same goal:

POWER

Allan · #49 (**permalink**) 8th October, 2001, 07:51 AM

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Originally posted by dimmreaper
Allan, if you steal my cookie, I'm not going to run home and prove it to my mommy so she will let me whoop your azz. I'm just gonna whoop it! I know you stole my cookie, you know you stole my cookie, why should I have to show the proof to a third party, why should I announce it to everyone in the cafeteria???

Jeff, this is no cookie raid - innocent peoples lives are at stake. Yes, I know, innocent Americans were killed as well, but does that allow us to do as we please to retaliate? We have to understand that the general population of Afghanistan are NOT Taliban supporters, but this population will suffer from the bombing the most.

Sure, there is a great possibility that Bin Laden is to blame for all this, but killing him won't make his other terrorist friends happy. What is their next target? On the 11th it was WTC, what is next?

This will not put an end to terrorism, I fear the situation will only worsen.

I would like to make it clear that I am for the bombing, and I understand why it is so important to all of you / us. I just think that Bush has to be 100 per cent certain that he is doing the right thing here.

Here, have your cookie I don't want it - I should have taken one of those with chocolate bits in 'em!

dimmreaper · #50 (**permalink**) 8th October, 2001, 08:37 AM

Yes Allan Innocent lives are at stake. But they were before we ever got involved. Have you not seen the videos of the public executions performed by the Taliban? I don't think there will be as many innocent lives taken as lives of the guilty, remember that these are not random targets, but strategic military targets.

I'm sure Bush and the Government have all the proof they would ever need, just that they are not releasing it publicly at this time. Believe me our British allies would not be along side us if we were in the wrong. The British have done some of the bombing too, if you hadn't heard.

I have to disagree with your statement that this will not put an end to terrorism. Maybe this battle won't but the war will. The US military plans on dethroning any government that allows terrorist to operate within it's borders, and replace that government with a "free" government for that countries people. We will actually send in occupation forces I do believe, and handle this much in the same way we handled Japan after WW2. Destroy the countries, then help to rebuild them.

Eriksson · #51 (**permalink**) 8th October, 2001, 08:51 AM

If Mr Laden has wold wide network, why attack Afghanistan?
Will his death end terrorism, or the operation of his network?

Do you think you can send any message to terrorists by attacking Afghanistan and hopefully killing Mr Laden?? Are you going to "scare" the ppl who sacrifices its own life in this "war" with war!? The idea does not work. Peace loving ppl are afraid of war, terrorists cannot be frightened this way. This is exactly what they need. More reasons to hate you/us.

You still have the support and sympathy of many nations. This will wear off fast... New enemies are made as I type this. Look what is happening in Pakistan right now. The nation is getting more angry every minute, they are going to sign up to fight against YOU tomorrow. What about the rest of the Islam world!? Do they watch CNN like you and me!? Do they see our point of view!? .........What view are they seeing these days anyway?

IMO this is extremely dangerous situation, you are playing with fire now. One really wrong move and we are no longer looking at war between us and terror, but ISLAM vs Christian.

No lives will be saved, no discussing act will be stopped and more new enemies will be created. NOTHING GOOD WILL COME OUT OF THIS. NOTHING!

Allan · #52 (**permalink**) 8th October, 2001, 08:54 AM

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Originally posted by dimmreaper
Yes Allan Innocent lives are at stake. But they were before we ever got involved. Have you not seen the videos of the public executions performed by the Taliban? I don't think there will be as many innocent lives taken as lives of the guilty, remember that these are not random targets, but strategic military targets.

I'm sure Bush and the Government have all the proof they would ever need, just that they are not releasing it publicly at this time. Believe me our British allies would not be along side us if we were in the wrong. The British have done some of the bombing too, if you hadn't heard.

I have to disagree with your statement that this will not put an end to terrorism. Maybe this battle won't but the war will. The US military plans on dethroning any government that allows terrorist to operate within it's borders, and replace that government with a "free" government for that countries people. We will actually send in occupation forces I do believe, and handle this much in the same way we handled Japan after WW2. Destroy the countries, then help to rebuild them.

Yup, I think I've seen most of the videos as well, including the public executions at the stadium. All too sad.

Sure the Brits are alongside, but there is no doubt that the US has the lead. Most of the world supports the US, some more actively than others. My country, Denmark, has also given USA full support.

Terrorism will continue, trust me. Perhaps not as "openly" as now, but their beliefs cannot be changed, and I honestly don't believe that they will disappear, just because their HQ's are destroyed and their highest ranked people are killed. Terrorism can be found in every single country in the world, Afghanistan is not the only place.

You say "Destroy the countries, then help rebuild them."

I fear that you mean: "Destroy them, and then rebuild them the way WE seem fit, not neccesarily how the population wants it to be".

Admit it, we want others to live the way we do and even share our opinions. Sure, the Taliban is not acting in the best interst of its people, I cannot argue with that. But this is Afghanistan, what about about countries that already have "free" governments?

We are no better than all others.

Allan · #53 (**permalink**) 8th October, 2001, 08:56 AM

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Originally posted by Eriksson
If Mr Laden has wold wide network, why attack Afghanistan?
Will his death end terrorism, or the operation of his network?

Do you think you can send any message to terrorists by attacking Afghanistan and hopefully killing Mr Laden?? Are you going to "scare" the ppl who sacrifices its own life in this "war" with war!? The idea does not work. Peace loving ppl are afraid of war, terrorists cannot be frightened this way. This is exactly what they need. More reasons to hate you/us.

You still have the support and sympathy of many nations. This will wear off fast... New enemies are made as I type this. Look what is happening in Pakistan right now. The nation is getting more angry every minute, they are going to sign up to fight against YOU tomorrow. What about the rest of the Islam world!? Do they watch CNN like you and me!? Do they see our point of view!? .........What view are they seeing these days anyway?

IMO this is extremely dangerous situation, you are playing with fire now. One really wrong move and we are no longer looking at war between us and terror, but ISLAM vs Christian.

No lives will be saved, no discussing act will be stopped and more new enemies will be created. NOTHING GOOD WILL COME OUT OF THIS. NOTHING!

I share your point of view Eriksson. War is not the right way to deal with terrorism, their hate will only grow stronger. What is their next target?

Eriksson · #54 (**permalink**) 8th October, 2001, 09:08 AM

It would be nice to bring those responsible for the WTC attack to justice. But we need do evaluate wins and losses. And NO I dont have any solution either. But I know when you planning something ahead there is always one option that should be considered first. Do nothing!

QuasiMobo · #55 (**permalink**) 8th October, 2001, 09:08 AM

Do we have to wait until these dementos level Detroit or Oslo before you're satisfied that it's time to wipe them off the face of the Earth?

All I am saying, is give war a chance.

Allan · #56 (**permalink**) 8th October, 2001, 09:15 AM

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Originally posted by QuasiMobo
Do we have to wait until these dementos level Detroit or Oslo before you're satisfied that it's time to wipe them off the face of the Earth?

All I am saying, is give war a chance.

No, this is not what I am saying at all. Please don't twist my words like that.

I totally agree that something HAS to be done, I just don't think war solves all your problems.

Terrorism will not end by bombing Afghanistan, I think this should be pretty obvious to most.

All I say is: Give something ELSE than war a chance, before actually going to war... but its a bit too late for that, right?

Eriksson · #57 (**permalink**) 8th October, 2001, 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by QuasiMobo
give war a chance.

Now we are talking about revenge, not solution.
Nope, war does not deserve one.

QuasiMobo · #58 (**permalink**) 8th October, 2001, 09:56 AM

Leveling buildings in an attack that murdered 6,000 civilians IS an act of war upon the United States. WE DID NOT START IT.

The bastards fired the first salvo, and I think that as soon as possible we should let them see Allah to discuss the merits of their case.

Eriksson · #59 (**permalink**) 8th October, 2001, 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by QuasiMobo
Leveling buildings in an attack that murdered 6,000 civilians IS an act of war upon the United States. WE DID NOT START IT.

By deciding the WTC attack is an act of war you are starting one.
This is your call, and probably what the attacker wanted in the first place. His goal is war, not peace. Now you are following his rules and standards, not the rules and standards you want to protect.

Pure_Liquid · #60 (**permalink**) 8th October, 2001, 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by Phil

I think you miss understood me there a bit, I'm not fussed about what they do to the taliban and ladens possie as they deserve everything thats coming to them, but it's inevitable that people who are innocent are going to be in someway harmed, either with allied forces and their families, and the situation thats already arrising with refugees. War time is not pleasant for anyone but I feel it is something that is necessay as terrorism has been aloud to fester for too long.

Exactly