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Old 27th October, 2009, 02:18 AM
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Whats they hype about anyways?

I need to convince my boss to get a new laptop with Windows 7 instead of Vista.
I have not used it yet, so what are some items I can sell him with?

We are using Windows Small Business Server with a watchguard firewall and VPN.

He really needs to use the VPN to work from home and he wants to use:
1. Microsoft Office (I suggested Open Office)
2. AutoCAD
3. Google Sketchup
4. Quickbooks
5. Outlook

I like the Virtualization option too with Windows 7 Professional but how does it communicate with hardware? Will it be as fast as a regular booted OS?
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Old 27th October, 2009, 12:19 PM
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Virtualisation prevents direct communication with the hardware, as that would break virtualisation. However, there are some common scenarios that do work - for instance USB drives can be attached. Sound can be passed through to the sound device in the host OS.

Don't forget that Windows 7's virtualisation requires that the CPU supports either Intel-VT or AMD-V. If the laptop's CPU doesn't support either of those, you can't use the built-in virtualisation.

My experience of virtualisation is that is is generally a bit slower than running directly on metal, but it does depend on what you are trying to do. Some apps will running at pretty much the normal speed, others will run much slower.
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Old 27th October, 2009, 11:17 PM
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Thats what I needed to know.
So Intel-VT or AMD-V processors huh...
There are a few CPU's on newegg.com that support actualization but I have a feeling laptops won't. He doesn't want Vista and XP is hard to get on a laptop these days. Specially with a 17" screen and numberpad.

I purchased an Acer AS5516 with Vista for $300.00 on newegg.com
That was the sweetest deal I've ever seen for a full laptop.
Most netbooks cost $300 and we got a laptop.
It works great (my opinion) but he hates it (his opinion).
So now he wants something faster.
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Some do, some don't. It is in the processor rather than the motherboard (yes, BIOS support is needed, but that's the easy bit!), so you might be surprised at which systems do support it. For example, a few of the Atom processors support Intel-VT!

If it's an Intel based processor, you can find a list of which processors support Intel-VT here: Intel Virtualization Technology List
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Old 28th October, 2009, 04:45 PM
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cool, thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
Now I can find the right laptop with the compatible VT processor.
Now I have to figure out how to get Windows 7 Professional on a pre-installed laptop.
Otherwise, he will have to wait.
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Newegg.com - HP Pavilion DV6-1361SB NoteBook Intel Core 2 Duo P8700(2.53GHz) 15.6" 4GB Memory 320GB HDD 7200rpm DVD Super Multi ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 - Laptops / Notebooks

cheapest laptop on newegg with win7 Pro and IntelVT, the T6700, all T8xxx and aall T9xxx support Intel VT. And all P series also support VT
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Old 9th November, 2009, 10:21 PM
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Yup, I saw that one and forwarded it to my boss already.
Pretty nice machine, dedicated video card, Win 7 Pro....
How did you know the processor is Virtualization compatible? the list?
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We ended up finding an HP from Tiger Direct with some decent hardware and dedicated video card for about $1000.
He likes it because it came with Windows XP.
They were hard to find because you can't even buy XP HP laptops from their website.
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Personally the reason I run W7 exclusively now is because it's 4 times easier (or more) than XP to navigate & find stuff on when you are looking for stuff.
This is a BIG time saver!!!

Also the new features it has are just way cool & I now find myself not being able to live without them because of the speed & ease of use with this new OS!

One small feature for example is Windows Snap.
So that you can work with 2 windows open at the same time with each taking up exactly 1/2 of the screen!

Another is the systems taskbar for launching programs from, that you are working with on whatever project you're doing which is again a BIG time saver.

Another is the super search box that will instantly find anything that's on your HD by just typing it in & it start giving examples with just a few letters or characters.

And the list of these cool features goes on & on...

You can check out these & other Windows Features here...
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Thanks for the Win 7 tips MUff1N.
I know I'll be investing in it one day when I have $100.00 or so
I have heard so many good things, I can't resist!
I have the Windows 7 beta on a disk, how different is beta from the actual version?
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Thanks for the Win 7 tips MUff1N.
I know I'll be investing in it one day when I have $100.00 or so
I have heard so many good things, I can't resist!
I have the Windows 7 beta on a disk, how different is beta from the actual version?
The beta or the RC?
The beta isn't near as stable as the RC was which was 6.1.7100.0.winmain_win7rc.090421-1700 .
But there's not much difference with the exception of if being more stable on the final version and everything working like it should.

For a Release Candidate it was extremely stable compared to previous OS releases.
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honestly I don't know.
A student gave me the beta version and I don't even know if I can still install it or not
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honestly I don't know.
A student gave me the beta version and I don't even know if I can still install it or not
If it's the beta NO as they've already killed it,
but the RC is still good till March 1, 2010. (actually June 1 but it shuts down every 2 hours after March 1st)
(Look at the properties of the setup.exe & the version number should be on it.
If it's version 7000 its dead, but if it's 7100 it's still good.

Also you can install it as a trial without the RC activation
keycode & re-arm it for 120 days with total functionality if you like.

One things for sure boo, you're really late coming to the party...
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thanks! (Sarcasm)
that what happens when you loose 20K each year
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