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Old 3rd February, 2005, 12:53 AM
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Cool I need your opinion on cooling

Alright guys/gals...

I am building 4x P4 systems for a friend of mine to be used in a chipshop, so as you imagine, it will get extremely hot in there.

Does anyone got any suggestions for cooling without going over the top?

The case itself will have fans, but I am also concerned that with it being a chipshop, what risks am I facing with the evaportated oil floating around the room, is it going to do much damage with have the case fans going?

I am putting a list of components together now, so any comment would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 3rd February, 2005, 01:01 AM
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oil is none conductive I believe so shouldn't do any damage, obviously it's not to pleasant to have it in the pc though. you might consider filters
if your friend has no interest in overclocking or having the pc quiet just go with the stock coolers, intels aren't too bad and they aren't all that loud either.
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Old 3rd February, 2005, 01:04 AM
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The motherboard I am using is an Intel board (Rock Harbor I865B) is that any good

I have a feeling Intel made boards aint that good, but not sure
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Old 3rd February, 2005, 01:06 AM
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intel boards are solid boards, they just lack overclocking and advanced bios features, plus they aren't oo cheap. If these systems are going to be tweaked and overclocked then the intel boards will do fine, though cheaper are available
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Old 3rd February, 2005, 01:11 AM
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Sorry to be a pain (and save opening loads of diffeent threads)

The OS he will be using is MS-DOS, which is been a few years since I have worked on that and cannot remember.

The Network card, do I need special drivers for DOS, or do I assign the IRQ etc in Autoexec.bat and config.sys?

I assume they wont make distributable drivers anymore.
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Old 3rd February, 2005, 01:15 AM
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I doubt the onboard networking will have dos drivers, if you are installing a seperate nic and this does then it will be setup however it's instructions say how to.
How come he's only running dos?
and if he's set on dos then why p4's?
if he only needs such a low powered system then have you though about building him Via EPIA mini-itx based systems? you can get the slowest 533mhz ones for less than £60 and they run very cool with passive cooling and he'll save a ton on his electric bill
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yea, id say that if he's using dos he wouldn't benefit from anythign over 500mhz lol. Those could almost be 100% passive cooled, and with a fan would almost run at ambeint! Plus he could save a ton on computer parts or something.
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Cheers Graham, I really do owe you a drink sometime.

I have said that to him, infact 2 of the systems he has already are P3's, and the 2 486's i think, which in my opinion are more than good enough, and apart from bootup, you cant really tell the difference when running the program he uses.

But he insists he want NEW everything, new network cards, new harddisks, he even wants to change to 15" TFT's... All because one of his HD's failed i think.

Well I have done him a price, and he looking at bout 1500.00 altogether wiv VAT just for the parts... upto him tho
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that is 4xPC's tho
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RAM 768MB PC2700                512MB PC133             512mb PC2700
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you should suggest the EPIA's to him, if heat and evaporated fat are a worry, then they are perfect because they can run completely fanless, and he will save a fortune on his electricity bill, a p4 system probably uses 150-200W, and EPIA system probably about 30-40W
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any recommended sites or shops for EPIA?
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RAM 768MB PC2700                512MB PC133             512mb PC2700
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www.itx-warehouse.co.uk and http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/
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RAM 768MB PC2700                512MB PC133             512mb PC2700
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no problem
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Found this place as well:
http://www.icp-epia.co.uk/

You'd need to call them for prices, but you might be able to get a deal on 4 boards.

There's loads of boards to look at there even if you don't want to buy from them.
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