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The Spyder 20th April, 2002 08:06 PM

Watercooling Finaly-
 
Alright- after not being able to sleep at night w/ my computer on- i want to water cool- over the past few months- i have gatherd all of these parts:
1. Maze 3
2. Ehime 1250
3. Heater core from dump..... $3 and exactly like the danger den ones
4. 20' of braided 1/2inch tubing
5. 4x high output 120mmfans low noise-

What i am lacking is the knowledge how to fit this system into my antec 1040- i do not want to loose my from drive bays, or make it look like ****z- I am planning a closed loop system that should cool better- and is more portable then a bong-
SPyder

SiGmA_X 20th April, 2002 08:14 PM

Go to Google and search. All you need is a reservoir and radiator. If I remember correctly, you have room behind your CD drives and in front of your Power Supply to hang a radiator. Then you put the reservoir on the floor of the case under the 3 1/2" bays.

The Spyder 20th April, 2002 11:19 PM

Obviously you do not understand the physics of silent watercooling- there are serveral flaws with your suggestion:
1. A closed loop system has no resivor-
2. A rad would not fit there because i would have no airflow- and piping would be too dificult-
3. HAHAHAHA
sPYDER

Superman 20th April, 2002 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Spyder462
Obviously you do not understand the physics of silent watercooling- there are serveral flaws with your suggestion:
1. A closed loop system has no resivor-
2. A rad would not fit there because i would have no airflow- and piping would be too dificult-
3. HAHAHAHA
sPYDER

Actually, you are part wrong. A closed-loop system CAN use a resivoir. I saw somebody use a watertight electrical box once to hold a pump that needed to be submerged (like my pump needs to be submerged).

The Spyder 20th April, 2002 11:24 PM

I know- i have an electrical box as a resivor in my first water attempt- but what i told him before- i never said a resivor-
SPyder

BongWater 21st April, 2002 06:52 AM

Side panel hole near the bottom between the lower 3.5" bay and wherever ur PCI / AGP cards start to interfere. It'd be REALLY tight. As I measured in my SX1030B I doubt it'd work because I only have 2.75" between side panel (inside) and AGP card. Pretty thin!

Fitting a 120mm fan with a rad in a 1030B case may be tough if you insist on not altering your hidden (lower) 3.5" clip-out drive bay. You have approx 4.25" below this bay and a 120mm fan requires about 4.75" so thats out if you won't mod the bay any.

And that doesn't even factor the size of ur rad as it could be taller than the fan..plus what is the thickness of the rad? Thickness of fan and rad together?

Or you draw through the top and mount rad horizontally and lose top 1 or 2 x 5.25" bays. Not the best option by any means.

I'd remove the lower 3.5" bay altogether or just hack the bottom off the bay enuff to fit it all nice and neat drawing through the front of the case...whata ya lose? At most 2 x 3.5" bays and I'm sure your not gonna use every available slot anyway.

Is that rambling enuff for you?

BongWater

SiGmA_X 21st April, 2002 09:10 AM

Spyder, how are you going to cool the water down? Where will the radiator be? I would think you have room in that case. It’s pretty big.. I could fit one in my case, but I am going to do true silent water cooling. Yours will have some noise, because of the fans needed to cool the radiator to cool the water down. Once my water system is done, I will have 1 power supply fan going slowly, and no other fans. At all. I think I might still get sound dampening paneling though, because 3 hard drives will be somewhat loud.

My computer will also have a ‘closed’ water cooling system, as the copper (most likely copper, at least) tank will be sealed.

Do closed systems need refilling? Sypder mentioned to me that they don’t. I don’t see how that would work though…

BongWater 21st April, 2002 09:18 AM

Although the case appears large, his reluctance to lose the bottom drive cage and mounting a 120mm fan on a rad, makes it really a tough fit (at least as I see it)

And if you're worrying about the sound of ur HDDs, you must have Spock ears...sooooper sensitive! I can't remember the last time I heard my drives!

BongWater

SiGmA_X 21st April, 2002 09:24 AM

I live for speed and science. I had a Mac all my life, and they DON’T USE FANS. I have learned to hear the HD thinking. It bothers me now how loud my PC is. So I am looking at water cooling. And at sound dampening foam and whatnot.

I think he can work something out with his case. It’s not a huge case, but there is enough room. I can’t quite remember, but I don’t think all his drive bays are full, so that leaves 2 (I think) that could be used. And what about dual 80mm high RPM fans? Wouldn’t they work nearly as well as a single 120mm?

BongWater 21st April, 2002 09:42 AM

What's the rad dims? And which bays does he have free? 5.25" or 3.5"?

Again, I'd suggest dumping the bottom 3.5" clip-out bay altogether (still leaving 4x5.25" and 3x3.5" bays) This way you have a full 8.25"x9"x6" area at the front of the case free to install the fan and rad etc.
(you'd also have to yank off the little shelf that the tray sits on)

Still this would make for the cleanest setup and allow for the most room to work within the case thereafter.

BongWater

The Spyder 21st April, 2002 06:47 PM

The problem w/ loosing my bottom rack is the fact that i have 2x 80gig 2x 30gig 2x 20gig harddrives- this would make it so i could only have 2 harddrives- and i have no extra 5 1/4 bays either- im thinking of using a slim copper rad- that i can put 1 fan under at the bottom of the case- blowing air in accross the rad. into the system-
Spyder

The Spyder 21st April, 2002 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SiGmA_X
] And what about dual 80mm high RPM fans? Wouldn’t they work nearly as well as a single 120mm?
Noise- you get twice the db - when you can haev 1 super quiet 120mm sunon-
SPyder

BongWater 21st April, 2002 08:31 PM

A couple points...why in god's name would you want 6 HDD? If its for the capacity, dump the 20GBs and the 30GBs and get one 100GB...problem solved. And you have what exactly planned for the 4x5.25" bays?

Even if you lose the entire bottom bay, you still would have 2x3.5" and 4x5.25" bays.

But the better way...and really not so tough, is to take out the bottom bay including the shelf. And make some simple mounts below the upper 3.5" bay to attach 2 HDDs. Heck I think you probably could slip a 60mm fan in the existing fan spot to blow onto those 2 HDDs and still have room for the 120mm and the radiator....that'd leave you 4x3.5" bays and 4x5.25" bays AND the 120mm fan and radiator....all nice and neat.

Remember all you need is less than an inch more room and you can then slip a 120mm and the rad in the front super easy.

Seems like a no brainer to me.

The Spyder 21st April, 2002 08:37 PM

good point- i do file transfers on this machine- i have a dvd- burner- Rheostat- removable drive tray- buy you may be right.... i think ill put the 2 x 20gig in my duall pIII- and 1 of the 30's-
SPyder

The Spyder 21st April, 2002 08:40 PM

I will probably end up pulling the front two fan- replacing the top ones w/ those- and put a 120sunon quiet in its place w/ a copper rad. Ive seen some good results w/ them-
SPyder

The Spyder 21st April, 2002 08:44 PM

"You could always put the radiator where the lower 3.5" (removeable bay) is now and you'd have the grill already there where you could put a fan blowing on the radiator. You could then use one of the upper 5.25" bays for a second hard drive...don't put 2 in the 3.5" bay where the FDD is...they'll get too hot.

Obviously this wouldn't work if you're using a RAID setup with 4 HDDs.

BongWater"

I use a raid setup :-D 2x 80's srtiped w/ 2x 30's for divx video encoding-
Spyder

BongWater 21st April, 2002 08:47 PM

The rheostat is no problem...mount it right below the reset switch or even IN the door. Plenty of options there. So if all you have is a DVD, a CD-RW and a removeable drive that's only 3x5.25" bays.
Pop a DigiDoc5 with one of your HDDs in the last 5.25" bay, put 2 HDDs in the remaining hidden 3.5" bays and if you need a 4th HDD, just mount it to the bottom of the upper 3.5" clip-out holder.

A quick measurement on mine shows that setup would leave you 7.5"H x 7"W x approx 9"L area to place the 120mm fan and rad!

The Spyder 21st April, 2002 08:57 PM

If i can find a cheap enought digidoc i will- if not i might build a plexiglass case-
Spyder

BongWater 21st April, 2002 09:22 PM

$46 at NewEgg

The Spyder 22nd April, 2002 12:44 AM

$35 at computergeeks.com :-D
Spyder


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