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Old 20th December, 2001, 09:15 AM
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New BETA bios!!!!! 18th of December!

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I tried this new bios 8khi1c18 dated 18 December 2001 and it is as good as previous beta 8khal00 dated 11/30/2001. This bios is also posted and ipdated on the Page 1 of this Config Guide or you can get it here:

- 8khi1c18 -
Date: 18 December 2001 (18/12/2001)
Fixes: Resolves warm restart/reset at FSB above 150 MHz. See this link
Changes:
1. CPU Clock (FSB) has range from 133 to 200
2. AGP Aperture default is set to 128MB

MANY THANKS TO Erik Messinger nickname ErikaeanLogic at erikmessinger@hotmail.com WHO EMAIL ME WITH THIS BIOS. This is a quoted email that Erik received from EPOX:

I just flashed seems no different to old bios. I've never had any warm restart/reset problems. This bios give me nothing new. However I lose 10% on Sandra memory scores. I'll probably go back to 8KHAL00

Any way here it is:

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http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/cb75b...n4bc8AUgn9.E9x
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Old 20th December, 2001, 12:12 PM
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If want performence stay way from this bios, reson is "4 Way Interleave" is Disabled & "Write Recovery Time" changed from 1T to 2T.

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Old 20th December, 2001, 12:56 PM
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This BIOS is not of the same nature as the BIOS iwth the RAM divider of 30/11/01.

For performance and all other reasons, please do retain the BIOS of 30/11/01 flashed to the eeprom.

I would not have flashed to the BIOS of 18th December as it is a work in progress project of 18/12/01 which by description nature does not address as many issues as the 30/11/01 BETA which is proving so popular for all of the right reasons.
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Old 20th December, 2001, 01:19 PM
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Thanks Omrons, yeah i figured that out too

But you can't turn the 4-way interleave on and restore the performance!
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Old 20th December, 2001, 06:54 PM
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My Sandra score using bios 8khi1c18 is 2481/2320 whereas with bios 8khal00 the score is 2495/2344. So, with the new bios 8khi1c18 my Sandra score only lower by 14/24 or only lower in percentage by 0.56% / 1.02% --> Not significant !!!

The important thing for this new bios 8khi1c18 is that it fixes the soft restart/reset issue at FSB above 150 MHz and you can run memory setting at :
- Manual CAS 2.5 OR DRAM Timing by SPD WITHOUT hang/freeze at any Synchronous DRAM Clock - CPU Clock
- MANUAL CAS 2 OR DRAM Timing by SPD WITHOUT hang/freeze at Synchronous DRAM Clock - CPU Clock between 150 to 159 MHz. So you can run WITH any setting at any Synchronous DRAM Clock - CPU Clock

In the previous bios 8khal00, using memory setting at
- Manual CAS 2.5 or DRAM Timing by SPD will result in hang/freeze with continous beep sound at any Synchronous DRAM Clock - CPU Clock
- Manual CAS 2 OR DRAM Timing by SPD at Synchronous DRAM Clock - CPU Clock between 150 to 159 MHz, will result in hang/freeze with continous beep sound. So, It can only work with CAS 2 Manual between 150 to 159 MHz.

The new bios 8khi1c18 still has 4 Way Interleave setting !!! Moreover, by choosing TURBO, Write Recovery Time" remain UNCHANGED at 1T !!!

Epox Tech, I hope you and your fellow engineer there will keep up with this good progress in providing excellent bios updates, especially the good ones for overclocking without any soft restart/reset issue after pressing Restart from Windows
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Old 20th December, 2001, 07:13 PM
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I am using my fully modded Epox 8KHA+ now. I mod the VCORE and the max Value of VCORE is now 2.19 Volt !!! I Also have my Enermax Modded. Im using a Enermax EG451P-VE 431W ATX right now. This system is flying high right now

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...f.jpg.orig.jpg

I have changed the R82 on my Enermax EG451P-VE with adjustable Trimpod with 3 legs. The value of R82 originally is 7.10 kilo Ohm and I changed it with 50 kilo Ohm precision Trimpod. Before this mod, the value of my Enermax +5 V Rail is "only" 4.84 V and drops to about 4.70 V under full loads when overclocking. After this mod, the value of +5 V Rail is healthy 5.11 V (Now adjusted to 5.21 V) when overclocking at 160x10 on my TBird 1.4 GHz with VCore set to 2.05 V I have never reached 1600 MHz on my TBird 1.4GHz before, but now with proper cooling, I can get at 1620 MHz. Doing this VCore Mod and Enermax +5 V Rail will make your system more stable at very high FSB, especially Enermax that famous for its unstable and lower +5 V Rail when under full loads in overcloked system This Enermax mod also applies to EG451P-VE and EG465P-VE

The success factors of better and more stable overclocking at higher FSB and running under full loads with program such as 3DMark2001 are:
1. Higher VCORE to get more juices of MHz (up to certain value - for EP-8KHA+ max is 2.11 V)
2. Better PSU with very stable +5 V Rail value. If you the value drops below 4.85, usually you cannot get more FSB and will not run stable under full loads. The best value should be as close as 5 Volt.
3. Excellent Memory
4. Other hardwares / cards that will not crap at higher FSB

So, I finally swapped back my Enlight 340 Watt AMD Approved PSU with Modded Enermax EG451P-VE Non AMD Approved
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Old 20th December, 2001, 07:42 PM
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Excellent right up again Mushkin.

So basically its worth flashing to the new bios then y/n?

I would like to run at 10x152 sometimes so that i'm not stressing the other parts of my pc too much..
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Old 20th December, 2001, 07:57 PM
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Dazzle,
I am just running with new beta bios 8khi1c18, 1 day only and it seems that the performance differences are small on my system. Not more than 1 % and I can run at CAS 2.5 now

I can reach at Synchronous FSB 172 MHz stable and from my previous post my Sandra score only lower by 14/24 or only lower in percentage by 0.56% / 1.02% --> Not significant !!!
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Old 20th December, 2001, 08:28 PM
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Nice write up you have there Mushkin.

But i already have my own preference of setting, so i'll stick to 8khal00 bios, but then i must admit the new 8khi1c18 do much better @ higher FSB w/o rebooting probs but mine not very stable w/ 8khi1c18 bios, i think maybe mainly due to using bank 2/3 & 4/5, the bank 0/1 begin damage for no apparent reson so can't try the very difference between 8khal00 & 8khi1c18.

Nevertheless i do admit you're good in finding the way the MB work @ it best state, seen you post quite alot in AMDMB forum.

Cheers!

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Old 20th December, 2001, 08:32 PM
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This new bios is awesome. I can post now at 150 with cas 2.5 latency. Some dude sold his nanya 256 ddr ram to me cause he said that it was generic. Hehe. It can post at 150 with no problems. still waiting for my crucial so I could mixed them up.
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Old 20th December, 2001, 09:40 PM
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Mushkin Rules Nice write up an the ones you posted at amdmb.com have been very informitive.

The 11/30 beta bios has been running so good to me it is hard to change, I might try it an see how it runs. My 1.4 T-bird keeps growing in this 8KHA+ I am running. When I first installed it, would only run 1605 stable an after 2 weeks runs 1644@1.89v but this is water cooled aslo. Running 9.5x173fsb with Crucial PC2100 cas2. This has been a fine mobo.
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Old 20th December, 2001, 11:09 PM
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I flashed the 12/20 bios, an boy it stinks for me. With the same setting used in the 11/30 bios had major drop in benchmarks.
12/20 alu 774/ fpu 882 173fsb
11/30 alu 940/ fpu 1146 173fsb
FSB didn't drop any but back to 11/30 bios.
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Old 21st December, 2001, 02:15 PM
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I get 912/1127 with bios 8KHAL00 whereas with 8khi1c18 i get around 750/950 close to 15% less.

Disabling bank interleave has no effect to scores in 8khi1c18 while disabling bank interleave in 8KHAL00 i get scores of around 750/950 similar to 8khi1c18.

From this i conclude that bank interleaving doesn't work in 8khi1c18.

Im not saying other people are wrong, but these are just my observations and my conclusions.

Also from the day i bought my 8KHA+ and upgraded to 8KHAL00 i have had no soft-restart problems regardless of FSB. As far as i have experienced this board is faultless (except maybe the CAS2.5 issue)

BTW what are the symptoms of the soft-restart issue?
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Old 21st December, 2001, 02:44 PM
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On the soft restart, if you are making changes in bios an exit out the computer should reboot an go to load Windows or whatever OS an the system will hang an you have to use the reset to have computer start loading again, it is the same if you are in the OS an do a restart it will hang an you have to you the reset to get computer to start loading again.
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Old 21st December, 2001, 04:09 PM
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Yeah thanx WinXp. Thats what i thought it was. Nup never had that problem at any FSB!
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