Summer Plan

[ediflorianus]

I wan't to bui at summer 1 new XTREM computer...
AMD and ATi is in my plan
I want to spent 2500 - 2700 euros ( over 3000 $)
Please Help
tnx

[cadaveca]

wait until june. Do not buy until june...don't even look at what's out there....just wait until june.

[XeroHouR]

unless you don't care about dual cores, or price drops...

[Rondog]

If your going high-end go with a 6800 Ultra or GT. Im an ATi fan too, but the current nVidia's wipe the floor with ATi.

[ediflorianus]

I'l wait until june.But I eant to look at what's out there.I need info.
I Am an ATI fan to i'm tinking to buy 2 X R520 and AMD prosesor...
& 2 x 1GB DDR Utra Letenci
Sorry About my English

[Daniel ~]

Welcome to AOA ediflorianus! Best to just read through the forums and see what people are currently using and if they are happy with it...Then wait for June":O}

[Rondog]

LoL: how clever of you Daniel.

[Chaz]

I havent heard about this before. Are you saying that prices on other processors will drop sharply in June because of the new line of processors? Or is something else going on?

Personally I would go with nVidia, although I have an ATi card. nVidia's logo is way cooler than ATi's anyway...

[XeroHouR]

intel is making 30-50% cuts on thier mobile dothan line. Dual core cpu's will be another offering, which equates to less sales in single core cpu's to respond the prices MUST drop. Also intel and AMD(competition drives lower prices, which is why we don't allow trusts or monopolys in the US) will both be dropping dual core cpu's and maturing technology all factor in price drops.

[Rondog]

How much do you think the DC's will start at?

[XeroHouR]

i havn't a clue, there IS a review posted at Http://www.hardocp.com at the very top of what you can expect from these early dual cores. However, this IS misleading, because until software is optimized for multithreading, applications really wont benefit a ton from it. As games and stuff get more multithread capable, I'm sure performance will skyrocket.

[sushi]

[/QUOTE]Personally I would go with nVidia, although I have an ATi card. nVidia's logo is way cooler than ATi's anyway... [QUOTE]

I like nVidia better and currently their 6800 series kicks ATi cards. I would just stay with nVidia now.

[GrahamGarside]

My recomendations for a system at the moment would be

Athlon64 3000+ winchester
DFI LanParty UT NF4 Ultra-D (though waiting until ati's chipset is out may be worthwhile thanks to it offering 4 display outputs when used in conjunction with their cards)
ATI Radeon X800 XL PCI-E
Maxtor DiamondMax 10

The X800XL is a real bargain, full 16pipelines and fast core/ram for mid range prices, it fills the gap previously taken by the Geforce 6800 but offering the full 16pipelines.

Of course come summer there will be better and faster out so any recomendations made now probably won't hold true.

[keithwalton]

Originally Posted by Rondog

How much do you think the DC's will start at?

Not much more than the current single core chips,for intel at least ($40-60 premium clock for clock apparently, $240 for the 2.8, $300 for the 3.0 and $500 for the 3.2) want to shift all they make in order to get developers writing code for there chips. So far anything that takes advantage of hyperthreading is seeing a large boost from the preview's of the intel chip.
I did chuckle a few times when an fx53 (4000+ is the same chip) going from first to last in a benchmark simply because multithreading was enabled (vs 800 and 600 series Pentium's).

As for AMD's plans i'm not so sure, rumour has it there chips will ship on release on the 21st of this month. Problem being there only releasing socket 940, 800 series (8way) opterons for now. Whic means they are not going to be cheap in the slightest. Its going to be a few more months yet (june at the earliest) before skt 939's ship in volume. prices should plummet there after.

Another reason to wait till June would be the ATI R520's due for shipment then as well, its at least a 24 pipeline part, 32 is possible and should also feature ati's SLI equivelent called AMR

[Rondog]

Originally Posted by keithwalton

Not much more than the current single core chips,for intel at least ($40-60 premium clock for clock apparently, $240 for the 2.8, $300 for the 3.0 and $500 for the 3.2) want to shift all they make in order to get developers writing code for there chips. So far anything that takes advantage of hyperthreading is seeing a large boost from the preview's of the intel chip.
I did chuckle a few times when an fx53 (4000+ is the same chip) going from first to last in a benchmark simply because multithreading was enabled (vs 800 and 600 series Pentium's).

As for AMD's plans i'm not so sure, rumour has it there chips will ship on release on the 21st of this month. Problem being there only releasing socket 940, 800 series (8way) opterons for now. Whic means they are not going to be cheap in the slightest. Its going to be a few more months yet (june at the earliest) before skt 939's ship in volume. prices should plummet there after.

Another reason to wait till June would be the ATI R520's due for shipment then as well, its at least a 24 pipeline part, 32 is possible and should also feature ati's SLI equivelent called AMR

What will they be called? X950's?

[GrahamGarside]

Probably just X900, or the marketing department might get really clevel and go the whole hog to X1000! Imagine that, two whole groups of numbers higher, wow!

[dsio]

i would imagine they would give it a whole new designation. Keep in mind the X is meant to stand for 10, comming after 9. so perhaps an XI800XT?

The R520, so far as is known is definately in development, definately has more than 16 pipes, but the rest is mostly stories and rubbish made up by people. AMR is very likely to be in it, and it is possible to have a new rendering path.

The fact that this new chip will be more pipes, and possibly SM3.0 capable, would make ATI class it as an entirely new GPU, as it would be more completely different to the X800/X850 line than the 9xxx series.

If ATI thinks this is going to help them however they have been smoking the ganja a bit too long. ATI does not have a problem at the top end. I am very much an Nvidia enthisiast, but i will be the first to admit, despite the fact that its technologically superior, the 6800U, and 6800UE are not as fast as the X850XTPE. They just arn't.

A 6800GT/U SLI system beats an X850XTPE easily, but on its own, it cant compete. ATI has a very strong top end. The X800XT, the PE, the X850XT, and the PE are very good cards, and can compete with nvidia very well.

Everything below an X800XT is complete garbage. The X600 sucks. We know it, ATI know it, and thats why its been superceded by the X700. The X700, now only available in pro version, doesnt completely suck, but cant compete with the 6600GT.

The X300 is absolute rott. One of the worst cards ever made by ATI. and that is the damn problem with ATI. They are not catering for the mid range, and budget markets. Their top end is fine as it is, but they really need something to keep the 6600GT and 6200 in check. A new top end chip is the last thing they need. Completely priced out of any market that buys in large volume, and with low profit margins, and high RMA rates.

Chances are, a pair of 6800Us in SLI, maybe in 512MB each, will still beat the new ATI chip. And given Nvidias slowly rising performance through driver releases, ATI are shooting at a moving target.

Where is the X800XL? i know they exist, but ive never seen one. Ive never seen them for sale. And they were paper launched months ago.

What is the deal?

[GrahamGarside]

The X800XL is available most places in the uk, unless you mean the agp version, which I've seen powercolour models available.

[dsio]

It is just non existant in australia, and they are reporting supply shortages all over the world. It just really isnt enough. The X800XL is the closest thing they have to a winner, and although i know they are around the place, there is no decent supply, and in Australia they are still pre-order with no ETA. They *must* get a good low end card, and a good mid end card if they want to keep making money.

Most people dont realise this, but Nvidia still make FX5200s in massive supply, particularly VIVO capable ones. The 5200, despite the fact that it was not a great 3D card, was a fully featured DX9 card, that though slow, was able to do anything its big brothers could. Add VIVO to that and you have a SFF/HTPC/White box winner.

They even make Geforce 4 MX's still, because people still buy them, once again mainly with VIVO. Rest assured, with the FULL video processing abilities of the Geforce 6 series, VIVO, and SM3.0, the 6200 will become the most popular HTPC card for a long time to come. and there is no ATI competition.

[GrahamGarside]

The biggest graphic chip producer in the world is still intel after all, tomshardware did a piece on ati and nvidia marketing and how they miss the fact that not everyone want 3d, aiming it's top end cards at desktop users
Ati's low end isn't bad, with radeon 7000's and 9200's if you don't need 3d stuff, with the last generation or 2 the 9500 and 9600's were winners but they never followed them up properly, the X800SE is the closest to a budget card, with 6800LE performance and 6800NU price, the X700 is a flop, they should just bring the X800SE price down, and they also need a modern low end card to rival 6200's as they make great low end cards, their 3d functions aren't all that bad either, especially with the chance of unlocking to a 6600